Fitness.com
Advertisement

Go Back   WorldFitness Training Forum > Front Desk > Articles and Research

Articles and Research

Discuss fitness related articles and the latest research studies.


» Site Navigation
 > Shop
» Advertisers
» Current Poll
Do you want Rep back?
Yes, I want rep back! - 66.67%
12 Votes
No, it's sh!t - 33.33%
6 Votes
Total Votes: 18
You may not vote on this poll.
» Stats
Members: 103,539
Threads: 38,486
Posts: 362,031
Top Poster: Karky (9,546)
Welcome to our newest member, sinjinnaga
» Fitness Shop
If you register for free, you will be able to post threads, vote on polls and lots more. If you have problems with the registration or logging in, please contact the administrator.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
  EPOC-alypse Post #1 (permalink)  
Old Jul. 05/07, 12:20 PM
maverickbu
Newb
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 62
EPOC-alypse

Here's part 1 of a soon-to-be 2 part article I wrote about excessive post-exercise oxygen consumption (EPOC) and how it is ideal for burning calories/fat. Let me know what you think.

EPOC-alypse, Part 1: The Science
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  EPOC-alypse Post #2 (permalink)  
Old Jul. 05/07, 01:13 PM
(Silent)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,488
There are a number of small errors in it. Such as

Quote:
it burns lots of calories while you are at rest.
In most cases it could equate to around 50-150calories extra. Not quite "Lots".

Quote:
High intensity aerobic cardio will generate a great EPOC response, but anaerobic exercise (i.e., weight lifting) is even better.
You make it sound as if Weight lifting is the only Anaerobic activity.

Then here
Quote:
nearly twice as high as Group A. Is this counter-intuitive? A bit, but it does show that these results don’t exist in a vacuum. Although Group A was working their muscles harder, I can assure you that Group B were probably the ones that looked like they were knocking on death’s door. The amount of cardiovascular output from short rest in conjunction with anaerobic exercise creates a blast furnace in your body. And as shown in these studies, it causes maximal stress and intensity, and in turn, calorie-burning EPOC.
You don't explain why Group B Oxygen dept was greater then group A's. If your going to write an article as such these things need to be explained. If you are not sure why they have a greater instance of EPOE then you likely shouldn't be writing a report on it...
"working their muscles harder" Why do you think that? and in terms of what?

Quote:
Manipulating and raising EPOC is going to be your number one tool in efforts to lose fat.
not quite the #1 tool...

Also, Remember when writing any article always be prepared for both negative and/or positive comments.

Last edited by (Silent); Jul. 05/07 at 01:37 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  EPOC-alypse Post #3 (permalink)  
Old Jul. 05/07, 01:55 PM
maverickbu
Newb
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by (Silent)
Also, Remember when writing any article always be prepared for both negative and/or positive comments.
Absolutely, and I appreciate the detailed response. If I just wanted to get patted on the back and told how smart I was, I'd just send it to my parents.

I would qualify the 50-150 calories as "lots" in the context of the cumulative effect it will have, particularly when considering the study that shows EPOC can last up to 38 hours.

I guess I did kinda make it sound like weight lifting was the only anaerobic exercise. Thanks for that one.

I guess I'm a little confused as to why you didn't follow the study I mentioned. If you read the protocol for the study that is just above the excerpt you included, it details that one group worked its muscles to failure on each set where the other group worked at only 50% of their 1RM for 10-12 reps. I think its fair to say that muscles worked to failure are worked harder than muscles worked NOT to failure with similar workloads. As for explaining the difference in oxygen debt, I thought it was pretty clear that reduced rest periods were the cause. I didn't draw that conclusion myself, its what the study presented.

I don't know if it was your intent, but you came off a bit condescending in your comments about that section. If something is unclear to you, then ask a question. No need to try and discourage

Quote:
Originally Posted by (Silent)
you likely shouldn't be writing a report on it
me or any one else wanting to submit srticles for discussion.

That said, I welcome any other coments or criticism. Like I've said before, disagreements force us to consider other viewpoints and scrutinize our own even more.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  EPOC-alypse Post #4 (permalink)  
Old Jul. 05/07, 02:24 PM
(Silent)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,488
Quote:
Originally Posted by maverickbu View Post
Absolutely, and I appreciate the detailed response. If I just wanted to get patted on the back and told how smart I was, I'd just send it to my parents.

I would qualify the 50-150 calories as "lots" in the context of the cumulative effect it will have, particularly when considering the study that shows EPOC can last up to 38 hours.
Right over 38 hours you might expend upwards of 150 calories. Though this is HIGHLY dependent on the intensity, latict acid production, CPr stores exhausted, Hormonal elevation and many many other factors.
Most people do not operate at an intensity to raise it to even 150 calories in excess. And most don't have the needed intensity to have it elevated upwards of 36 hours. Also, the conditioning of the person training can further dictate the amount. Further more its the cumulated affect, not the indivitual rising that is important.


I guess I did kinda make it sound like weight lifting was the only anaerobic exercise. Thanks for that one.
No worries, I used to make that mistake allot.

I guess I'm a little confused as to why you didn't follow the study I mentioned. If you read the protocol for the study that is just above the excerpt you included, it details that one group worked its muscles to failure on each set where the other group worked at only 50% of their 1RM for 10-12 reps. I think its fair to say that muscles worked to failure are worked harder than muscles worked NOT to failure with similar workloads. As for explaining the difference in oxygen debt, I thought it was pretty clear that reduced rest periods were the cause. I didn't draw that conclusion myself, its what the study presented.
You must answer the question of "Why" those different rep ranges caused the increased oxygen debt? Think "Lactate" as just one hint behind the many reasons...

I don't know if it was your intent, but you came off a bit condescending in your comments about that section. If something is unclear to you, then ask a question. No need to try and discourage
wasn't my intent!


me or any one else wanting to submit srticles for discussion.

That said, I welcome any other coments or criticism. Like I've said before, disagreements force us to consider other viewpoints and scrutinize our own even more.
Weathers kinda humid but other wise nice right now...

Last edited by (Silent); Jul. 05/07 at 02:27 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  EPOC-alypse Post #5 (permalink)  
Old Jul. 05/07, 03:11 PM
maverickbu
Newb
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 62
OK, I see where you were going now with the comment about that study. I try to balance technical with accessible as much as possible when writing. This was one little area I thought I could scrounge, I let the study do the validation rather than digger deeper into the blood and guts. its tough to balance highly technical material and still make it enjoyable to read.

I'm glad we agree that it is the cumulative effect that is important. And I recognize that reaching that level of intensity where you are burning up top 150 calories oe maintaining EPOC for 38 hours is not something every person can readily do. The article is meant to give tips on how to achieve as much as possible by any given individual.

What's with the weather thing? Is that a joke or something I don't get?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  EPOC-alypse Post #6 (permalink)  
Old Jul. 05/07, 05:12 PM
(Silent)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,488
Quote:
Originally Posted by maverickbu View Post
OK, I see where you were going now with the comment about that study. I try to balance technical with accessible as much as possible when writing. This was one little area I thought I could scrounge, I let the study do the validation rather than digger deeper into the blood and guts. its tough to balance highly technical material and still make it enjoyable to read.

I'm glad we agree that it is the cumulative effect that is important. And I recognize that reaching that level of intensity where you are burning up top 150 calories oe maintaining EPOC for 38 hours is not something every person can readily do. The article is meant to give tips on how to achieve as much as possible by any given individual.

What's with the weather thing? Is that a joke or something I don't get?
Lol, No Its just I hate it when I don't have anything to say outside of the quote. I figured it would be better than putting the normal ".........." at the end for the "at least 10 characters crap".
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  EPOC-alypse Post #7 (permalink)  
Old Jul. 05/07, 05:18 PM
(Silent)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,488
It just occurred to me that. I'm not reading the writeup from a "n00bs" standpoint. That which the average reader will read it. So my criticisms aren't fair unless you want it to be more technical. If so let me know..
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  EPOC-alypse Post #8 (permalink)  
Old Jul. 05/07, 07:19 PM
maverickbu
Newb
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 62
I'm trying to plant my writing somewhere between noob and where someone like you is. The late beginner, early intermediate lifter who doesn't have time to sift through forums for valuable material.

Don't mean to make assumptions about you, I apologize if I'm off base, but you've obviously spent a good bit of time here, probably other forums, and have more than done your homework if you are picking holes in my article I do appreciate the comments so far.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   WorldFitness Training Forum > Front Desk > Articles and Research

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:


More threads of maverickbu
Thread Date Forum Replies Last Post
EPOC-alypse
EPOC-alypse: Here's part 1 of a soon-to-be 2 part article I...
Jul. 05/07 Articles and Research 7 Jul. 05/07 07:19 PM

Other threads in forum Articles and Research
Thread Date Thread Starter Replies Last Post
Time to reconsider your stretching routine
Time to reconsider your stretching routine: The question: Should I stretch before my...
Apr. 26/08 Wrangell 21 Oct. 10/08 10:59 AM
How to gain weight?
How to gain weight?: Can anyone give advice on gaining weight please? ...
Jan. 03/07 stik 3 Jan. 05/07 04:05 PM
Supplements
Supplements: Does anyone now what is the safe age is to start...
Mar. 05/06 wesley santos 1 Mar. 05/06 02:56 PM
How to fix neck & shoulder pain
How to fix neck & shoulder pain: How to fix neck & shoulder pain Whether you...
Aug. 09/03 chris 3 Jan. 08/04 09:04 PM

» Online Users: 251
5 members and 246 guests
Gus, Karky, Kiba Stryker, kt3663, zizo
Most users ever online was 1,736, Apr. 17/07 at 06:27 PM.

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
Template-Modifications by TMS

| Weight-Loss-Forum | culturismo & fitness | Aerobic | Free Exercises | Exercises
You are viewing EPOC-alypse.