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Old Dec. 26/07, 10:35 AM
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" Fitness, not low body fat, key to a long life "

Various media articles covered an interesting study this month, which suggests that fitness may possibly be more important than ' fatness ' when it comes to living longer.

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" Older obese adults who are in good cardiovascular shape have a lower risk of death than those who are of normal weight but are out of shape, finds a new study.

The research, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, finds that adults over age 60 who have higher levels of cardiovascular fitness live longer than unfit adults, regardless of their body fat levels....

....Interestingly, the researchers also found that body fat alone had no effect on the likelihood of an early death "

.......the moral of the story ?

To lose fat, dieting alone isn't optimal. Keep doing that weight training & cardio folks !


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Fitness Level, Not Body Fat, May Be Stronger Predictor Of Longevity For Older Adults
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Old Dec. 26/07, 11:08 AM
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That's what I had thought and my cardiologist thought all along. Glad to see evidence of this. Thanks for posting this, Wrangell.
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Old Dec. 26/07, 11:20 AM
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Thanks for the "additional" foundation of base information, Wrangell!




Best wishes to you!

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That's what I had thought and my cardiologist thought all along. Glad to see evidence of this. Thanks for posting this, Wrangell.
No problem.

The study sort of confirms the validity of the philosophy I take towards training at this point in my life. I'm much less concerned about making things like low body fat % and packing on inches of muscles - i.e how I look in terms of my physique - as my primary goals like they were when I was much younger. Back then, I was driven by ' vanity ' more than anything else I'm afraid.

Nowadays, my main focus is using athletic performance as my main tool toward reaching my primary goal - the goal of simply staying healthy. It just so happens my athletic pursuits like playing hockey, ball hockey, running ( i.e 10ks ) and some of my home training like rowing - and to lessor extent weight training - have a strong cardiovascular fitness component to them.

In my view, if you eat right and maintain above average level of cardiovascular fitness, things like blood pressure, blood sugars, triglycerides, HDL / LDL etc. etc. pretty much take care of themselves. Staying healthy is much more important to me than how I look ' physique wise ' - but that's just me.

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Let's face it though, most people who end up with a high bf are not exactly any good at cardio and they are obese BECAUSE they ignore cardio.
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Let's face it though, most people who end up with a high bf are not exactly any good at cardio and they are obese BECAUSE they ignore cardio.
That is not a true statement.
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That is not a true statement.
I said MOST obese people. If what I'm saying isn't true, there wouldn't be as many obese people as there. Of course theres always the exception of people who have a few extra pounds but have good endurance, just eat like crap.
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That facts been known for a pretty long time.
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Let's face it though, most people who end up with a high bf are not exactly any good at cardio and

they are obese BECAUSE they ignore cardio.
Perhaps.

But I think one of the main points to be taken away from the article / research cited - at least in my point of view - is that one's body fat % shouldn't be something we should all get too hung up on in terms of relying on it as primary indicator of fitness / health.

As we've all been told many times, you can obviously be fit and healthy BUT you can also be fit and unhealthy ( i.e Google Jim Fixx to see what I mean ). And after all, you can have a thin body type and be ' overfat ' just as you can have a large stocky frame and be ' underfat '.

That said, I think the many causes, factors, influences etc. that have been associated with obesity are varied and complex enough in nature to suggest to me that the notion that " they are obese BECAUSE they ignore cardio " is a gross oversimplification of origins / nature of obesity.

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Let's face it though, most people who end up with a high bf are not exactly any good at cardio and they are obese BECAUSE they ignore cardio.
I agree with this generalization. Most people are indeed obese because they eat too much and exercise too little. But, don't tell that to the Clydesdales (200#+ riders) in my Saturday fast group who could drop you like third period French
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I agree with this generalization. Most people

are indeed obese because they eat too much and exercise too little.

But, don't tell that to the Clydesdales (200#+ riders) in my Saturday fast group who could drop you like third period French
For what it's worth..................

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" What Are Some Common Myths and Facts Associated with Obesity ?

Myth #1: People only become obese and overweight because they do not engage in weight loss efforts including physical activity and have unhealthy eating habits.

Fact: It is important to remember that obesity is not always a behavioral issue. Although physical activity and eating habits are major contributors to obesity, there are other elements to consider in evaluating causes of obesity. In many instances, weight loss and management efforts require a balanced combination of behavioral change, medical/scientific evaluation and intervention. In addition, hormone disorders (metabolic syndrome, hypothyroidism, thyroid disease) – such as those related to the thyroid, adrenal glands, ovaries and pituitary – can contribute to obesity.

...food ( excuse the pun ) for thought.

Obesity In America - Myths About Obesity, Weight Loss
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For what it's worth..................





...food ( excuse the pun ) for thought.

Obesity In America - Myths About Obesity, Weight Loss
Ahh
" Im not fat, i just have a thyroid problem"
"Im not fat, i just have a slow metabolism"

oooh the excuses overweight people use...all bull****
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Ahh
" Im not fat, i just have a thyroid problem"
"Im not fat, i just have a slow metabolism"

oooh the excuses overweight people use...all bull****
Some, in fact do have thyroid problems. This disctinction needs to be separated from those that "may' fall under your quote. An open mind with the contents of the discussion is better served, than a blanket party.




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Some, in fact do have thyroid problems. This disctinction needs to be separated from those that "may' fall under your quote. An open mind with the contents of the discussion is better served, than a blanket party.




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Your right, there are a FEW that do suffer from thyroid or some genetic problem, but MOST of the people i hear making excuses like that are just lazy to change their lifestyle.
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Ahh
" Im not fat, i just have a thyroid problem"

"Im not fat, i just have a slow metabolism"

oooh the excuses overweight people use...all bull****
First of all, I'm sure most people who are actually obese aren't suggesting anything like " Im not fat " .....so I'm not sure where that comment is coming from.

In fact, I suspect, it's quite the contrary. My guess is, that most obese people are acutely aware of the fact that they have ' above average ' levels of fat.

Secondly, no one is suggesting obese people are obese simply as a result of making - as you so eloquently ( ) put it - " bull**** " excuses.

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