just wondering if anyone has used the above?

anyone care to share how much they gained and then lost after their cycle(s)?

just curious...no need for lectures on the legality of this either

--matt

Out of curiousity, why would you do an oral only cycle?

the above are what seems to be locally available, so that's why i was asking about those in particular.

it's easy online to say one needs to take this, inject that, blahblah. it's another to get your hands on the stuff, right? i'm not opposed to injections, but have yet to come across much of that on the local scene...yet. there's a large city about 45mins from here where you can probably get anything, but i wouldn't know where to start, i don't know anyone there lol.

--matt

How old are you?

How much research have you done on AAS and what is the layout of your planned cycle? I know you stated what you are inquiring about however you need to post how you plan to dose the substances.

Like LV said...much more information is needed.

Now I'm not for or against the usage of AAS, but if you're going to do a cycle, do the research first. This is prob. not the best forum for getting cycle critiques.

Orals tend to be much easier noticed if they are counterfit than injectibles. This is one of the things you have to be wary of when buying AAS-a reliable source that won't sell bunk gear.

The problem with oral only cycles is they are much harder to maintain the gains you got on them once you go off cycle.

thx for the info. i figure i'm still a good 6 months-1yr from doing anything like this, IF at all. still want to loose some fat, build up a good "base," to start from, and of course do MUCH more reading on the subject...

can anyone suggest other forums that might be more beneficial?

& i'm 26 btw

--matt

Testosterone Nation has a few guys who know their stuff. They also have some nice articles that come periodically. I just can't stand the hero worship and the "I'm a T-Man" yadda yadda yadda chanting that they do.

But if you want to do some intelligent reading Articles by Bill Roberts

Do a google search for Anabolic Review forums. AR is one of the best out there.

try this
Testosterone & Other Steroids - MuscleTalk Forum

ofcourse read, and do ur research. no need for lectures ofcourse.
if this is ur first cycle, Id recommend a nice beginner one. Id just use Test E , for 8 to 10 weeks. and you can get away with out using any estrogen blockers during the cycle. and u novaldex afterwards. Should be able , (with proper routine and diet) to put on a solid 12 15 pounds . and expect to keep most of it .
hope u dont mind needles.

best piece of advice i can give is
_dont do steroids if ur body fat is high enough , to the point where u dont feel comfortable taking ur shirt off in public
_Ofcourse its said never to do roids until u hit ur natural plateau. gains will be extremely hard to achieve naturally afterwards, which means more cycles
_ and NEVER EVER start a cycle until u have all the items u need , from start to finish.

I find the answer to these type of questions is always - eat more food, eat better food.

If you can't get a good body without AS then AS are just going to compound the problems your diet/training already have.

Having said that I also believe that you should be able to do what you want with your body as long as you don't hurt others (or burden them financially)

What did you mean by "Test E"? Are you talking about just starting off with a testosterone?