I was watching this martial art documentary on discovery,
In which i see this kid in judo lift a full grown adult judoka( almost twice the weight) n throw him off his back.
I( was kind off pised off watching that
Is that really possible in a real fight considering all circumstances are in favor of the judoka

Also you see aikido masters throw their opponents like they were tossing some weight around
If they are so effective why dont we see a lot of fighters use the techniques
of aikido

Lastly if i were to use aikido techniques against an opponent who is not trained in break fall
And what if he falls on his neck or head; id be more worried about his safety than my personal safety
I know it sounds silly but it keeps running in my head

What do you mean you don't see fighters using Aikido? Like...UFC? If that's the case, then you don't see much because not many Aikido folks out there aren't cut out for the ring. But, I respect the art. It's good stuff, you should start doing some research on it.

As for judo, it's basically been a staple for most grapplers out there, and I would definately say that it has it's practical.

sorry

id have to put that on my ignorance and inexeperience
but when looking at it been performed it just seems as though the opponents were giving in to the throws.

as for judo, i always felt its sucess is relative to the weight of the opponent
may be i should look into the art

I was watching a judo match on youtube.com, and I have to say it was pretty unimpressive. They just held hands until one person threw the other one. Not saying it cant be effective, but you definitely need to combine it with another art.

I am looking into Aikido myself, as there is a school near me.

judo matches can be boring to watch at times
excepting some that are packed with some action

but isnt judo a strength based martial art

do post your experience on Aikido

i look forward to get feedback from a practioner himself

I dont practice yet, but I am going to look into Aikido, Brazilian JJ, Aiki JJ, and some Kung Fu schools located in my area.

Pure thai kickboxing + side ju jitsu > all martial arts

Judo, like any other art, requires strength. However you don't need to bench 3x your weight or anything like that. The power comes from leverage.

Aikido is about the redirection of energy.

Look it up yo.

I agree with what Lei said. Strength can be helpful with Judo but most of Judo is about hip...hip...hip. Your better Judo player can use the strength of another opponent against them. Aikido's good but can take awhile before start seeing the benefit that you can use from it. I wish I could remember his name but we just had a Judo player that took it (championship) from a BJJ player in the UFC.

Maybe you don't see Aikido used in the ring because Aikido stresses the philosophy of a defensive martial art?

A judo 8th Dan from Japan came to our Dojo here, and dropped everyone last one of us on the Tatame (mat) noone believed hes own eyes, he even Knee Wheeled our trainer, he is about 5'6 old fella, always smiling, barely can see his eyes. He came here to prove one thing, and one thing only, that you do not need strength in Judo to drop your Uke, all u need is Technique and Balance. Oh yes he was weaker than us, and he was smaller in size, but he sure had the technique. That man inspired me, OSU !!

Yea, I think I get what you're saying, but the philosophy is mostly about peace and harmony, so most skilled Aikido practicioners wouldn't choose the ring. The other thing is, Aikido wouldn't sell like a couple guys pound the crap out of each other in UFC.

While those are plausible, it still sounds like rationalization. I think that it adds a greater degree of legitimization when fighters from their respective styles represtent themselves in the ring.

Having Aikido in UFC would fundamentally defeat the teachings of Aikido in the first place.

While it has already been said here, that Aikido is for the most part a defensive art, there is an offshoot called Ki-Aikido, which lends itself more towards offensive strikes and maneuvers rather than relying solely on the redirection of the opponent. Research that a little bit if you feel the need to do so.

And while we're on the subject, I've had my tail handed to me multiple times by a 4'10, 70 year old Japanese man, many times over the years of studying.

It doesn't matter how strong you are in Aikido, it just matters how well you know the technique.


Benny, if you have any questions about Aikido feel free to shoot me a line. I'd be more than happy to talk to you about it.

There are a few students in my aikido class who are very physically (muscularly) powerfull, and I'm gratefull for the opportunity to train with them, because the techniques must be performed correctly. A battle of force versus force always goes to the stronger force. (I'll note that very experienced aikidoka are very powerfull whatever their build is. In fact, a high level of strength can be a disadvantage to learning aikido for the first few years, because you think you're learning the techniques until you find out you can't throw the skinny old guy in the hakama.)

One of these students used to do judo, and he has noted that modern judo tends to be less sophistocated and more sporty than it used to be. Mostly a contest of strength and timing. However, the old masters of judo have extreemly good fundamentals, and can toss you around just by shuffling their feet and hooking your gi with two fingers. There used to be no weight classes in judo. It was a contest of skill.

Aikido, although philosophically peacefull, is only really that way because it can be. In truth, anyone who performs a successfull aikido technique on you and didn't injure you to some degree or another had both excellent control and compassion. My teachers often show how at any point in a technique, aikido can break down into an opportunity to injure your opponent.

Though JordanSC just referenced Ki-aikido as a style that lends itself to offensive strikes, I'm familiar with that style as being the most gentle and dance like, the style practiced by the Ki-Society branch of aikido. Perhaps he's refering to atemi - distracting blows to inflict pain or keep potentially dangerous free limbs occupied. My school is aikikai style, we practice the soft stuff and the hard stuff. Yoshinkan and Tomiki style aikido are the harder styles that I know of, and i think that Tomiki styles even engage in some sort of competition.

Anyway, Benny's origional question - my experience tells me that you could hip throw someone in an actual conflict. It's not really all that difficult to roll 300 pounds over your hips if you position yourself correctly. But, it would be more likely to work if your attacker were a good enough martial artist to avoid the elbow to the face that he could recieve for not cooperating with the throw, and it would be good for him if he could breakfall, otherwise he could get injured, like you said.