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    Danger_Dave is offline Verge of Overtraining
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    I really like the looks of the 10x3 and the ABBH... it'sk ind of a tossup. Is the jogging really necessary for the 10x3?

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    realworksuks is offline Epic Adventurer
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZN_Dave View Post
    I really like the looks of the 10x3 and the ABBH... it'sk ind of a tossup. Is the jogging really necessary for the 10x3?
    Just to throw in my two cents.. I would do a high volume program... just doing 3-4 exercises at 10X3 sounds meh to me... more for strength building.

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    Danger_Dave is offline Verge of Overtraining
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    the volume part comes with 4x6 in the 10x3, it's not a complete 10x3 program, check out the link karky gave.

    i don't want to be hyoooge or anything, i just feel that 155 is too light for a guy. no offense if any of you do weigh 155 or anything, but wearing shirts that are sized small, and pants that are less than 30 inch waist kind of pisses me off. Still, I like it better than being really fat but w/e.

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    Karky is offline Former member of VulgarityGang
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    jogging isn't really necessary. RWS over a week, how much volume do you typically have for horizontal push, horizontal pull, squat and dead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karky View Post
    jogging isn't really necessary. RWS over a week, how much volume do you typically have for horizontal push, horizontal pull, squat and dead?

    Well I totally rehauled my routine for cutting, but when bulking it was a lot.. I don't feel like calculating it - too lazy

    but you can look in my journal if you really care..

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    Karky is offline Former member of VulgarityGang
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    I checked it out, didn't look like that much volume, it just feels like it because you had pretty much all chest work on day a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karky View Post
    I checked it out, didn't look like that much volume, it just feels like it because you had pretty much all chest work on day a week.
    It was definitely a high volume program IMO, maybe not for the exercises you specified... (only squatted once per week for example), but definitely high volume overall.

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    but you still don't want to lay it down for me? I specified movements, like horizontal push/pull. Did you just do a bunch of isolation flies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karky View Post
    but you still don't want to lay it down for me? I specified movements, like horizontal push/pull. Did you just do a bunch of isolation flies?

    hm, well I don't understand why you are only considering horizontal push/pull as being important... what about vertical push/pull and etc.?

    Ok ok, i'll lay it out.

    monday 12 sets horizontal push and 10 sets calves
    tuesday - all pulling 28 sets
    wednesday mostly vertical pushing, and isolation 20 some sets total
    thursday all isolation for arms and forearms
    friday all legs - 20 sets

    I think it's a lot of volume.. it was all with maximum weights for sets of 8-10 besides a few heavy sets at 4-6 reps. Most days, specially back and legs, took me at least 2 hours.

    It's a lot more than those beginner programs that look like this (I actually did this one before)

    "Squats 3 X 5
    Bench press 3 X 5
    Deadlift 1 X 5"

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    Wow AZN Dave, you lost 55 lbs? That's awesome dude! I know what you mean about guys wearing small shirts and skimpy pants, I wouldn't want that either. I want to cut down to look lean and see where to go from there, who knows, I might even bulk before I lose most of my fat, I wanna intimidate people Keep it up dude! Good luck with whatever program you choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karky View Post
    So I'd definitely bulk if I were you, and I'd use the 10x3 waterbury routine. I'm a big fan of this as you will be lifting heavy and you get high volume. The 10x3 stuff can take some time, specially if you do several 10x3 exercises on the same day (I don't remember the program that well, but I remember it was good) I spread out what I had for 10x3 over 3 days, so one 10x3 every day and the rest of the big ones something like 4x6. With 10x3 you will get A LOT stronger and bigger. Of course, it depends how your body responds, everyone's different, but you can't go through life without having tried the many sets low rep method

    i tihnk the way you set it up is exactly how he describe it in the program?

    10x3 for one exercise each day, then 4x6 for the other lifts.

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