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  Help with improving pecs and abs Post #31 (permalink)  
Old Jun. 20/08, 10:42 PM
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Old Jun. 20/08, 10:52 PM
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Old Jun. 21/08, 07:58 AM
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Dude. Just....

Push-ups are harsh on the joints at first...keep doing them...endure the pain...it will go away.
Very bad advice, based on what has been posted. If the op has a rotator cuff injury, "working through it" will make it much much worse! Rotator Cuff Injury
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Old Jun. 21/08, 11:04 AM
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Agreed.

One does not, without any shadow of any doubt, work through "inapropriate" pain and/or injury.

One's body is their castle. You only have the one. Be wise. Take care of it. Listen to it, very wisely. Your mind can be a friend or foe, and you determine which. When faced with an injury and/or pain where its "inappropriate" to train, take care of the "goal functions" you have complete and utter control over while you let your body heal, and you will stay on track. If you see this as a set back, this can and could set a domino effect you do not want. Control your personal faculties of your goals and you roll.

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Old Jun. 22/08, 03:22 PM
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Thanks for the advice Chillen and g8r80. I knew there was a difference between muscles aching after a workout and severe joint pain.


Also one question about abs, I have very little stomach fat, maybe an inch at most, so would getting my desired "vertical line" down my stomach be a hard feat to acheive?
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Old Jun. 22/08, 03:46 PM
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Thanks for the advice Chillen and g8r80. I knew there was a difference between muscles aching after a workout and severe joint pain.


Also one question about abs, I have very little stomach fat, maybe an inch at most, so would getting my desired "vertical line" down my stomach be a hard feat to acheive?
once you get that injury figured out and start cranking out pushups, pullups, and dips you'll have that and more in no time, pending your diets on track. Till then body weight squats will help your midsection.
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Old Jun. 22/08, 03:46 PM
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Thanks for the advice Chillen and g8r80. I knew there was a difference between muscles aching after a workout and severe joint pain.


Also one question about abs, I have very little stomach fat, maybe an inch at most, so would getting my desired "vertical line" down my stomach be a hard feat to acheive?
The core composition between one person and the next, though simuliar, can be quite different in some slightly different construction.

The vertical line of the core has more to due with the "thickness of the skin" and total upper body mass--as a joint pair, IMO.

Which basically means the quality of muscle underneath, and low body fat (and sometimes lowering water to assist in lowering skin thickeness) to showcase your unique core construction. Yes, it is absolutely possible--dependent on your core genetics and unique core construction when muscle is developed enough and body fat is subsequently low enough to display your personal attributes.

And, realizing the Absolute POWER of training manipulation and nutrient manipulation WILL get you there.

When BF gets to a "certain" point, skin thickness (and assuming no "abnormal physical complications", and one is healthy), can be properly manipulated----through DIET. Actually, it gets manipulated when losing tissue in general. However, when things are not quite what one wants (and they have a core muscle and upper body support), they can do manipulations within diet to thin the skin even more---(again assuming a healthy person as stated above)

When people sometimes read things they dont open their personal perception--and really educationally examine what they are reading.

For example, one on a low carb diet (can lose appreciable amount of water, and assume (at first early in the diet, for example) that his is tangible tissue loss. Okay with this in mind, can Carbs be used a mild diuretic? And, used properly with the other nutrients and consumption activities. Answer: YES.

Revealing the POWER of the DIET.

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Old Jun. 22/08, 04:30 PM
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once you get that injury figured out and start cranking out pushups, pullups, and dips you'll have that and more in no time, pending your diets on track. Till then body weight squats will help your midsection.
So how many reps and sets of those squats should I be doing?
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Old Jun. 22/08, 05:26 PM
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just see how you feel. Start of with 3 sets of 10 of so, but once you get the injury figured out following a professionally made plan would be best.
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Old Jun. 22/08, 07:34 PM
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Allright thanks again. I have access to my friend's pool, would swimming laps help in overall workout?
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Old Jun. 23/08, 04:28 AM
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Allright thanks again. I have access to my friend's pool, would swimming laps help in overall workout?
Yeah, but not the most ideal way. Home pools are great for recreation and Marco Polo, but are hard to do much in the way of cardio as they are too short (unless your friend is very wealthy and has a 25yard pool).

Cycling, running, and swimming in a lap pool provide great cardio workouts.
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Old Jun. 23/08, 08:52 AM
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Well he is very wealthy, but the pool isn't too long, but longer than most home pools.
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Old Jun. 23/08, 09:48 AM
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Agreed.

One does not, without any shadow of any doubt, work through "inapropriate" pain and/or injury.

One's body is their castle. You only have the one. Be wise. Take care of it. Listen to it, very wisely. Your mind can be a friend or foe, and you determine which. When faced with an injury and/or pain where its "inappropriate" to train, take care of the "goal functions" you have complete and utter control over while you let your body heal, and you will stay on track. If you see this as a set back, this can and could set a domino effect you do not want. Control your personal faculties of your goals and you roll.

Best wishes,


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Very bad advice, based on what has been posted. If the op has a rotator cuff injury, "working through it" will make it much much worse! Rotator Cuff Injury
Arg. So very true...I read too fast and thought I only saw wrists in there...in martial arts they always told me that some joints would probably be more-or-less sore at first...and even so...even if it was wrist pain it is no reason to work through it...

/praise Chillen & g8r80

Thanks for speaking up for both our sakes.

Do you think anything could have brought on this pain/injury? Any past accidents or whatnot?

About the pool, I would go for it one way or another...swimming is better than not swimming...added exercise is never a waste. As for getting more of a workout maybe you have a local community center with really large pools?

I got tendinitis in my left shoulder once and went to the doctor and he told me what to do and I managed to get it fixed pretty fast...go see a doctor asap before doing anything with your shoulders.

Again...my apologies for the bit of misinformation.

Good luck man.

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Old Jun. 23/08, 11:27 AM
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I honestly have no clue what could have caused my shoulder to be like this. I have bad joints overall. My knees, ankles, wrists, and elbows hurt some days too.

I swam today, some intense laps. My arms and the sides of my pecs are sore.
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