Thanks for your help. I appreciate it.

Well, I wasn't going to return but my e-mail alerted me to some of the responses and perhaps I was too hasty in that proclamation. I enjoy a mentally stimulating conversation, but its hard for me to respect you (Danger) when your tone is so aggressive.

You may be a bright guy, but you defeat yourself in trying to make this a D-waving contest. 'My grades are so good', 'my test scores are so good': It really doesn't mean anything to me because 1) You don't know who I am or what I've accomplished
and 2) I don't know you or find any rock solid correlation between high test scores and intelligence.

That being said, I apologize for my part in making it seem like the boards give out bad advice, they do not but what does happen is that often times, good advice is taken too far or given to hastily.

Point: I don't have a ton of time to go over all the reasons that you should incorporate cardio even in strength training and body building, because I'm trying to do this quickly from work! I can however recommend that people who are interested really do some research. Google it.

A prime example can be derived from the routine of any professional athelete. Look at Jordan, Bruce Lee, any running back. They are muscular, strong and do tons of cardio. Now that is not scientific proof in itself, however it is certainly telling.

There are a couple schools of thought on the subject, but it is quite extreme to do no cardio at all. Let me remind you that "cardio" is a broad term and does not mean spending hours running but can be attributed to raising the BPM's.

"Eliminating cardio exercise, however, is not the answer. Find ways to include cardio workouts in your strength-training routine. Former Mr. America Bob Gajda has developed a workout that can not only increase your endurance, but also shed fat and maintain muscle. This workout is known as peripheral heart action or PHA. The concept of this strength-training workout is to incorporate “super setting” by utilizing all areas of the body. PHA prevents blood from stagnating in one area, thus forcing the heart to pump blood to the entire body. In turn, this creates an effective aerobic and strength training routine. Since the basis of this exercise is strength training, no muscle is lost."
Excerpt from-http://www.alive.com/3881a6a2.php?subject_bread_cramb=94

The fact is, although your methods are well supported and reasonable you have to understand that a lot of people fail without being fully informed as to 'bulking' and 'cutting' properly and in the neglect of cardiovascular exercise.

Thanks to Chillen for reasonable and thought provoking comments and good luck to everyone~! These will be my last words however.. on this topic at least

Thanks for the explanation, but isn't it the case that your quote says you can maintain muscle while improving endurance and shedding fat? (I assumed this was the idea of a cut. Maintain muscle, lose fat...) Maybe (and it happens) I misinterpreted but I thought you were suggesting that he somehow lose fat while simultaneously gaining muscle. because I thought that the poin of this thread was that the guy should be cutting.

Still, care to explain how being in a deficit leads to weight gain? I can't see how it's possible?

Either way, sorry for being hostile. I overreact often.



as a side note though, and this isn't a bash on your opinion or at all related to the question of cutting/bulking or whatever. I tihnk it's stupid not to see a correlation between consistently high grades and test scores and how this relates to the intelligence of a person. Sure anything can be studied for, but things should be studied for. It's not like stupid people get great grades (They can if they cheat of corse) or pwn standardized tests etc.