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  Carb cycling in the real world. Gaining mass with min. fat? Post #1 (permalink)  
Old Nov. 29/06, 08:24 AM
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Carb cycling in the real world. Gaining mass with min. fat?

Im very bored at work so flipped over to a couple of carb cycling articles. This is something that i did a while back and then kind of lost interest in but it sounds like a decent idea.

Firstly, if anyones interested or wondering what they hell this is about read these

Testosterone Nation - The Carb Cycling Codex
Bodybuilding.com - Twin Peak - Carbohydrate Cycling: What You Need To Know!

Im wanting to build up muscle and want all the normal athletic improvements to boot. Im not a pro body builder and i dont want the full bulk-cut routine (the t-nation quote of "not tonight dear, im bulking" applies to many of us wannabes) but i am going to eat more than i have been. i want as much muscle with as little fat as possible, and i should end up developed but not big.

Primarily because ive been trying to keep carbs down (including post wo - cue LV's input....) and if i stick to it for several days i have had noticeable differences in certain things. Well, firstly the ass fat shifts quick! i tried just having a whey shake post wo post 8pm and i had (this is making me cringe) firmer, smaller ass cheeks. woohoo.

however, i lost much muscle very quick. and i wasnt shifting the weight like i can. so back onto the carbs i go, the dextrose/malto is on order, the oats are bought.....

so anyway, back to cycling the buggers. its all very nice for pure gym work. id pick my high carb weight training days, medium for cardio and grin and bear the off days. trouble is my off day isnt always off.

i train for football (soccer - cringe #2) on thursday and have the odd match on saturdays, so the routine is as follow

m- full body
t - abs, hiit
w - full body
t - training
f - full body
s - match
s - off or if no match sat. ill do abs and hiit

so lets pretend my routine is perfect, sets are great, i dont overwork legs and alls well. how do i cycle carbs? t-nations method of high, med, lo, high, med, low would mean that every other week id either be weight training without pre or post carbs or doing a 2 hour football training session on just whey, chicken and a few almonds.

see the problem? my closes guess is to do

m - h
t - m
w - l
t - m
f - h
s - m
s -l

but this is far from perfect. it means weds full body is low.

im getting to close to my perfect routine but dont want to f it up with a ****e diet. i try to keep carbs to morning and pre and post wo but i have a job that is sedentry from 8 till 5 and then workout 7-8, eating at 9. ive never like eating rice, pasta and potatoes at nine as surely im going to store it, but maybe if i have the post wo hi gi spike i can get away with just a protein/fat meal.

how do other people fit carb cycles in with their weeks? is this the best approach? do i need to grin and bear reduced performance to break the ass fat plateau that follows me like a shadow?

thanks to all
ben
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Old Dec. 05/06, 05:23 PM
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Primarily because ive been trying to keep carbs down (including post wo - cue LV's input....)
There is no reason to keep carbs down post workout Ben. This is the time the body is feening for them to start the repair process.

Never sacrifice carbs at this time whether you are cutting or bulking as that is a great way to lose lean tissue.
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Old Dec. 06/06, 12:55 AM
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did expect to see that post again!

no ive learned my lesson. i realised i was cutting and was looking a bit stringy. im still watching carb intake but am back on the oats, potatoes etc pre and post

and it feels much better!
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