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    slimmer is offline Warming Up
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    Mixing Carbs & Fats?

    Hi

    Is it true that mixing carbs and fat is not good for fat loss (spikes your insulin levels or something)? Should I keep to protein+carb & protein+fat meals or include fat with every meal?

    Here's what I mean... which of these two meal plans would you say is more effective for fat loss?

    A)

    1) Oatmeal + 70g chicken
    PW) Oatmeal + 70g chicken
    PPW) Oatmeal + 70g chicken
    4) 70g Chicken + 50g almonds
    5) 70g Chicken + 50g almonds


    B)

    1) Oatmeal + 70g Chicken + 25g almonds (cals: 399, prot:43%, carb:34%, fat:23%)
    PW) Oatmeal + 70g Chicken + 25g almonds
    PPW) Oatmeal + 70g Chicken + 25g almonds
    4) 70g Chicken + 12.5g almonds (cals: 171, prot:70%, carb:4%, fat:26%)
    5) 70g Chicken + 12.5g almonds

    I currently follow plan A but was wondering if B may be better because it means I have less cals at the end of the day, instead of having a lot of fat (almonds) at the end of the day.

    BTW I also have 2 shakes and the total cals for both plans is 1800 (53%/25%/22%)

    What do you reckon? What's the best ratio for straight after a workout? Should you stick to Protein+Carbs for that because it needs the energy right away??

    Any advice is greatly appreciated!!

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    slimmer is offline Warming Up
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    No one?

    A or B?

    All I wanna know is what I need for a post workout meal? Should it have much fat, or just mainly protein and carbs?

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    abear is offline Forum O.G.
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    you should surround your workouts with protein and carb meals. some fat in these meals is fine but no need to purposely add some in there. as for other meals during the day, the carbs/fat deal does not hold any water and its fine to combine them in the same meal

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    Ok thanks. That's all I needed to know.

    I'll have oatmeal + Chicken + almonds (protein+carb+fat) for breakfast, oatmeal + chicken (protein+carb) for my PW & PPW meals, then just chicken + almonds (protein+fat) for the rest of the meals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimmer
    Ok thanks. That's all I needed to know.

    I'll have oatmeal + Chicken + almonds (protein+carb+fat) for breakfast, oatmeal + chicken (protein+carb) for my PW & PPW meals, then just chicken + almonds (protein+fat) for the rest of the meals.
    there's a whole world beyond chicken and almonds, my friend.

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    However, oatmeal, chicken, and almonds are GREAT choices.

    Might wanna throw some greens into the mix (e.g. broccoli, spinach, kelp, yada) though.

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    Very Important -- make sure you're eating high quality carbs. Oatmeal is awesome, and as was said before, if your eating high quality carbs, it's fine to eat them with protein and fats. That's called a balanced meal!! What happened to you is you recieved an earful of gym lore from somewhere and got paranoid. Don't make it rocket science. You don't need to pull out a calculator before you eat. Just aim at a balanced diet. Also, just a warning, don't think you can eat protein forever and it's ok. If you're working out you definately need more than the average guy, but if you eat to much, your body will store some of it as fat and piss the rest out!! aim for 1.5 to 1.9 grams per kilo of body weight, it's highly unlikely your body will use any more.
    To answer your question, after your workout focus on a balanced meal. A healthy serving of brown rice, a mid size chicken breast, and some broc. for instance.

    P.s. if you're trying to lose weight, and since you're probably on a high protein diet, DO NOT FORGET YOUR FIBER! Besides keeping you healthier and full longer, it'll help hustle those calories out of the body. I think it's recomended that you get 25 grams per day, but I always try to get 30, maybe a tad more. Very important people always forget this.

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    slimmer is offline Warming Up
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    Ha ha but i like chicken and almonds! I haven't really got time for anything else right now and you'd be surprised how well the nuts keep your hunger away, which is kinda why I was wondering if I should have some for breakfast/PW as well as at night.

    Yeah I'm cutting at the mo. Don't really wanna mess with my diet because its REALLY effective. Been losing 2lbs a week for about 7 weeks now - like clockwork (well 13lbs in 7 weeks). I did originally have nearer to 40%/40%/20% split on my protein/carbs/fat, but since I've started having oatmeal I can get by just having that three time a day for my carbs. I do pretty intense weights 4 days/ cardio 5 days a week so reckon the proteins are defo needed.

    Fiber is the one thing I haven't looked at but will now you've mentioned it. I think you get quite a lot from the nuts though? Any particular fiber supplements you can recommend?
    Last edited by slimmer; Mar. 14/06 at 03:00 PM.

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    ~LV~ is offline Macronutrient Manipulator
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    I spilt up my carbs and fats with very good results.

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    BTW - The healthiest way to eat almonds (and my favorite):

    Soak uncooked almonds in water in a container stored in the fridge overnight. Drain the water and chow on this delectable snack!

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    John-John is offline In Orientation
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    Keep it up if it's workin. If you're eating oatmeal 3 times a day + nuts you're getting enough fiber. Nevermind, I just mentioned it cause I've been reading alot lately about high fiber diets and their benifits for speedier fat loss.

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