maybe it would be good to have the pill "truth" (the no over the counter portion) closer to the top.

SO, a new person will first think "crap, my pill is not the answer!!! what is?" Sombody hopped up on pills may not read far enough, cuz they are in a hurry!!

sometimes taking what someone believe IS the answer helps them to see the answer when you give it.

this is a really good write up, and I already had it printed. It feels funny to critique a great work such as this.

fine job. and like DEF said, "as a member, I thank you Chillen"

Does anyone else have anything to add? Is there anthing we can add and/or change to make this better?


EDIT: I did some minor editing. I moved the harris benedict formula closer to the top, so the viewier will not have to scroll down to find it, and I made some other small adjustments.

To keep it from falling off the new post list.

Be nice. Im trying to keep it up front, so we can get this completed.

I would if it were me.

As I said before, 99% of the people who'll be reading it either work or go to school during the day. If you want your communication to be as effective, clear and meaningful as possible, know your audience and try and use examples that are targeted and relevant to them when explaining your techniques.

For example...

- most people are up from 7a.m. - 11 p.m
- most people eat 3 basic meals a day ( breakfast, lunch , dinner )
- an optimal ' frequent meal ' protocol to illustrate calorie guidelines would likely mean breakfast, mid morning snack, lunch, mid-afternoon snack, dinner, late night snack, pre-workout snack, post workout snack
- most people either train; morning, mid-morning, at lunch, mid-afternoon, after work or school, or in the evening.

...and this is the framework ( or variations of it ) you could use to illustrate your points that " that the clock can be "adjusted" according to what the person does, and can be any 24 hour period " in a way that is most relevant to those reading it.

That said, after reading your CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack commentary several times, I still find it very confusing - as it simply seems to be a long description of what actually appears to be some very obvious,basic common sense concepts.

I don't see how CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack is very much different from simply saying; know your calorie targets for an entire day ( typical 16 hour), spread those calories over 5-8 meals/snacks per day ( i.e eating every 2.5 - 3 hours if you can ), and ( depending on when you workout ) make sure you have some pre and post workout nutrition.

Is CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack different than this ? And is so, in what way ?

Frankly Chillen, I've been training for close to 30 years now and coached and trained a lot of athletes along the way, and I myself find this CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack concept confusing as I don't see how it is saying anything different than to simply know your calorie targets, spread your calorie intake over 5-8 meals/snacks per day, and ensure you have some pre and post workout nutrition.

Again, you're losing me.

Perhaps I just need some clarification as i don't see what it is you're trying to explain or the message you're trying to get across with this " CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack " concept.

Help me understand this. What would you say are the 3 core " CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack " concepts / techniques you are advocating ? And, how do these techniques differ from simply suggesting people.....simply know your calorie targets, spread your calorie intake over 5-8 meals/snacks per day, and ensure you have some pre and post workout nutrition ?

Welcome your thoughts.

I think that is a good idea.

Actually, that is what I was curious about and couldn't quite figure out - what the " more ' represents exactly.

Still not sure how " CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack " concepts / techniques differ ( i.e from a sports nutrition context ) from a - " typical approach to diet " - i.e from simply suggesting people know their calorie targets, spread their calorie intake over 5-8 meals/snacks per day, and ensure they have some pre and post workout nutrition ?

Could you - very briefly - elaborate on this difference / " more " so I could gain a better understanding of what you mean ?

Could you at least take a minute and try and help me out with my question above ?

Your " CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack " concepts / techniques sound very interesting and I'd like to learn more about them - I'm just not sure I'm following or interpreting them correctly ( as does sig it seems ).

If you take a moment to clarify " CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack " just a bit further, I'd greatly appreciate it.

My apologies Chillen...seems you posted this when I was posing my reply to you. Sorry.

The only reason I am asking questions is because you said.....

" What I would like is constructive input on refining the contents and/or improving the overall layout, or other information we can add "

" input would be most welcomed "

...I made the mistake of thinking you wanted " input " in THIS thread. Again, my apologies.

Just so I'm clear, in which thread would you prefer people provide the input ( regarding your sticky ) that you are seeking ?

O.K then ...fair enough......which thread ?

In which thread do you want members to provide the input for " refining the contents and/or improving the overall layout " as you requested ?

Which other thread did you have in mind when you asked for input ?

Let me know ...and I'll post to that thread.

Again, seems both you and I aren't exactly sure what Chillen means by this whole " CycleBack, CycleForward, and CycleFlipBack " protocol of his...and I suspect new members may also find themselves in the same boat...." confused ".

As Chillen asked, we shouldn't discuss this any further in this thread.

Once we confirm the thread in which Chillen would like his input directed to, perhaps we can have Chillen expand on it a bit more so we can better understand where he's coming from.

I think im leaning toward taking the 24 hour cycle out of the "basic" nutrition sticky.


It should just contain the overall "basic's" to get the new member started on the right track.

Therefore, I think the 24 hour cycle should be excluded (and I have since deleted it) and maybe added (after we discuss this possibility) to an "advanced and/or different techniques" nutritional sticky in which the 24 hour cycle (ketogenic, etc) could be added in.

I debated with myself in even adding the 24 hour cycle post in the first place.
Truthfully, this isnt for a brand new member not experienced.

Personally I feel the this Sticky thread should contain ONLY the contents related to the what the new member is seeking in nutrition, and there should be no other posts to it----when its finalized.

This way the important posts are all in one place and not all over the thread, and the thread is CLEAN.

This is a problem with alot stickies that mean well, and I dont want this to happen in the one WE are working on.

This is why I ask that when its finalized that all posts be deleted (you know: "the thank you's", "the well done's", and other 'debate-shaping' posts), and just leaving the "meat and potatoes" and purpose of the sticky thread.

Since the advanced sticky thread isnt made yet. I will make another thread for advanced nutrition techniques (for members with good knowledge and in a "position" to make good use of them), and we can therefore discuss its contents. And, again its contents be deleted leaving only the important information (I think we can live with the reduce post count, it isnt a big deal)

In addition, I think the thread ought to be LOCKED (like I said before) and content only added on permission from a mod. If a request is made to add contents, a thread can be made making the request that includes the contents the person wants to add in, and then a Mod can make the decision on whether to add it in (after revision, discussion). This will leave the original Sticky .....CLEAN.

I believe this imporant.

It'll be cleaned chillen, and I was thinking the same thing. Just the meat and potatoes

Mreik, Please see the second post in this thread.

I have deleted the former contents, and I would like you to consider adding this fantastic post by Sig........beneath my first post. It would do a beginner some good (though it may have to be modified to include some things not it to be more fulfilling to a general audiance of new users).

Mreik......what have we decided to do on this? Its been a long while with nothing done.....

What are the plans one way or the other

In progress, I think we're gonna redo the current one with some of this info included.. Designed more like weight training 101..

Thats cool. But Like I suggested before, it should be locked and no other posts to it to keep it nice and clean, and looking as professional as possible. And, if something needs added a mod can do it.....

Thanks for responding so quickly..... I was just curious as it has been a month.

Oh, I see now. Its pretty clear what happened. Would have preferred straight talk brotha!