Stroutman you do not come across as pompous. This is because you have experimented with protein grammage and worked out what is effective for your own requirements. The important thing to accept that protein, as with all nutrional requirements is subjectual to the individual.

Matt, your point is correct about protein storage, but what works for one man may hinder another. This is bodily variation, personally 135g is enough for me to see results, but I'm not that lean.

Show me, please.

I don't doubt you. I would just like to see the study/ies that you are basing this information from.

Do you not know all that protein will turn you into a man!
*Sarcasm*

I'll just add.

I've done my homework. I can show studies for high protein. I can show studies for low protein. Bottom line is, the research is indecisive at best with regards to what is right and what is wrong. And I think it will be for some time.

The most compelling study I have seen was from Tipton, I will try and find it. But it erred on the high side for athletes.

And suppose we find a study that errs on the low end of protein intake that is more compelling than this. Okay, but then we are left with carbs and fat being elevated. And what effect does that have on body comp?

Actually one of my lecturers told me that.

The body doesnt store protein as a fuel, its used as contituents of struture, enzymes etc, which go a constant recycling process. anyway got an excursion to go to now cya

I hope thats not the point he is trying to make...again...I thought we already covered this in that old thread...

No i never said that, maybe try read what i wrote again. I said protein isnt stored for energy. whether its converted to something else is another question. Settle down ay?.

Ever?

On the issue of " protein isnt stored for energy " ....my recollection from what I have read in the past is that while excess protien can be converted to glucose for use as an energy source, along calories from excess protien contributing to fat stores, it can also be stored as glycogen. However, I'm not certain to extent to which this occurs or even how significant it is in terms of it's contribution to overall glycogen stores.

Yeh pretty much ^^^

didnt see this post. I thought you meant you where taking in protein as a supplement? 200g without a supplement wow thats a lot. i mean thats fine its better to have a bit much than just a little bit off. But i dont think youlll see an improment in terms of hypertrophy witha diet of 150 and 200, simply becuase the body cant utilise that much protein and is excreted by the kidneys..

I think your intention is good but here you are again entertaining absolutes. You may be blinding yourself to the obvious in preference to finding a problem that isn't there.. some of us 'braniacs' can be prone to this and consider it recreational.

I completely agree,

Okay, I am finally getting sick of you, Matty.

If I need 4000 calories to reach the weight gain goals that I have, what do YOU suggest I comprise those calories with, in terms of macronutrient breakdown? And don't go giving me % BS.

We only have 3 macros to choose from, so that is an awful lot of calories to come from carbs and/or fats. If I had said my protein intake was 100 grams and my carb or fat intake was X and/or Y.... would you have even commented? Would you have said my carb/fat is too high? My guess is not. It seems to me like you are hanging on to the coat-tails of a lot mythology, with regards to protein intake.

Would my body be just as well served had I matched a similar caloric intake with less protein and more fat and/or carbs?

Yea, I know that is a stupid question, b/c how in the world can you answer this question when it applies to me? But you are the one speaking of absolutes. Absolutes = answers. So that is what I am looking for, from you.

You act as if I am winging my approach. Or as if I am following some "bro-science" passed down the food chain from the bodybuilding tards who know jack ***** about nutrition.

This is my life. This is my body. I have had success. Success found through trial and error. How I eat now is a product of that trial and error. You sitting here speaking of your absolutes based on "lectures you've heard" is utterly asinine.

Show me the science to your claims. How much protein does MY body utilize. Or how much protein does someone who lives a similar lifestyle as ME utilize? What are the max amounts? I am very interested in your claims, as I have spent hours researching the topic and based on what I have seen, there are no conclusive studies that say, X amount of protein is the max our bodies can handle.

And I know there are some advanced coaches out there who put you and I to shame in terms of experience and expertise, and they would agree.... that the science isn't conclusive.

I hope you aren't still hanging on to the ideology that there is a set amount of protein, in grams, that our bodies can handle. And on that same note, you do realize that amino acids serve important roles in the body aside from protein synthesis and muscle building activities, right?

Are there any other foods, nutrients, and/or enzymes that may help, when consumed with protein, in digesting more? Why do I ask? B/c I am aware of some of the studies out there that I could see you whipping out and mind you, we are talking about real world applicability here. Isolating one form of protein and its digestibility doesn't do me a whole lot of good considering I rarely eat protein without combining it with other foods.

You seem like you have the answers, so I look forward to hearing from you.

This thread reminds me of a conversation I had with my aunt about protein intake. It's annoying when someone makes a random comment like "That's too much protein" because they read this one book that said something about kidneys and yaddy yaddy.


~Nicole