Interesting article from the Harvard School of Public Health.

[QUOTE=stroutman81;191162]Okay, I am finally getting sick of you, Matty.
sorry

This is my life. This is my body. I have had success. Success found through trial and error.

I hope you aren't still hanging on to the ideology that there is a set amount of protein, in grams, that our bodies can handle. And on that same note, you do realize that amino acids serve important roles in the body aside from protein synthesis and muscle building activities, right?
obviously

Are there any other foods, nutrients, and/or enzymes that may help, when consumed with protein, in digesting more? Its not a matter of getting digested across the intestinal wall, it does. But when it gets into the blood in the form of amino acids theres only so much extra it can do, then it can also be used for energy, not increasing muscle indefentiley like you seem to suggest. It makes sense doesnt it, you can control how much enzymes, haem groups, purines etc you have so there is a limit how much protein can be utilised for these purpoes, but the extra can obviously be used for energy. QUOTE]

heres just a little simple article i found that might shed some light
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/nutrition/a/protein.htm[/URL]

the article you linked doesn't do anything to support what I thought you were trying to say, Matt. *boggle*

I love that smilie. When used in a debate, it usually means, "I am a moron and still want to save face by acting "cool" and rolling my eyes."

Good job.

No, actually. Your knowledge of this is NOT obvious.

Ahh, and here lies the problem. No, I have not claimed that we have unlimited potential to utilize protein for muscle synthesis. This assumption you make is almost comical.

Reading comprehension. You should try it sometime.

This entire thread I haven't been claiming any "unlimited growth potentials" from intaking more and more protein. I've been arguing the absurdity of your absolute statement that my protein intake is "too high."

Too high for what? I didn't say I take in 200 grams of protein and every ounce of it goes towards muscle synthesis. Again comprehending what I say and reading what I say are two totally different animals. I suggest you practice the first before you keep doing the second.

Why in God's name did you send me an "about.com" article on protein? Please, please tell me that I haven't wasted my time debating with someone who gets their information from about.com!

Recommended reading: http://article.pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/p...le=h06-035.pdf

ofc there is no concensus but its a relatively new summary based on the current research.

no. You can if you want, its just not going to increase your muscle mass from say an intake of about 150.

Hahahaha.

You are funny. Mr. funny guy.

Don't botter Strout. He's not even responding to your actual comments. Perhaps it is a reading comprehension thing. Some people are not capable of reading every word in a sentence and every sentence in a paragraph. They simply glance through and reply according to what they wanted to see.

I agree the science is NOT conclusive because everyone is different, there are far too many variables to consider. However, I think it common sense, that its NOT just protien that builds muscle, but a combination of: protein, carbs, good fats, vitamans and minerals....that does.

We have to get water in those muscles, and carbs assists in shuttling water to the muscle----and thereby amino acids (protien broke down). In addition, drinking enought water is important. In addition, FATS (the good stuff, like from Nat. PB, nuts, oily fish, flax seed) play a KEY ROLE, they play a part in transport of NUTRIENTS. It is NOT just protien that builds muscle, and I would disagree with anyone on that......its the combination of nutrients (carb, fat, and protein, vitamans, minerals) that does. While there are no real absolutes when it comes to the proper EQUATION, I think we could agree that consuming or trying to consume the proper ratio (individualized to the person) is the key, rather than just protien. Example, if not enough carbs are eaten, the body breaks down protein and use it as an energy source, if there isnt enough or one or the other at times, than it turns to itself as a source. If protein is all that it took, we all would be walking around like hulks. Even illegal steroids dont work by itself, the stupid persons that decide to do this, eat entire grocery stores when bulking (LOL, exaggerated).

This basic information is fine and all. BUT, we were not discussing hypertrophy. RATHER, we were discussing protein requirements.

Yet another person who didn't really read every post...

If you look through the posts, there are posts reference to muscle growth (or mass if you will) and protein requirements. I was just taking another angle, while protein IS important, it ISNT the THE THING that CAUSES MASS. The body is a universal machine, and its a combination of the CORRECT stimulus (training), along WITH proper ratios of nutrients (taylored to the person and how they respond to it as everyone is different), and THIS works together as one unit to assist in gaining mass, NOT just protein. For example, if progressive overload (which of course is important), is all that it took to gain mass, and weight continually went up, we all would be monsters, but it doesnt happen this way (most of you know this, so dont take what I am saying the wrong way, please). An example of nutrient importance, say for example your not getting enough IRON, and the thyroid (an important organ I would say), is loosing it efficiency do to this deficiency in IRON, it wont run properly, and no amount of protien will help you, case closed. For one the thyroid, is a primary performer in metabolism, and if this is hurt, mass is hurt. I think its best just to look around educate ones self on protein: see what reputatable web sites and other doctors say (you will go CRAZY with the different opinions, geesh), experiment with differing amounts of gram intake (1 To 1.5 per body weight, etc, no absolutes), and see what works best, but bare in mind, that even if you learn your proper protein intake, is the stimulous in the gym proper? My in-law takes in 2.0 per lb of body weight (she is 65--doctor ordered, and she isnt walking around like a prime Arnold S).......

In my opinion (based on articles I have read), protein IS NOT the primary responsible party in gaining mass........give up the marketing crap (No disrespect to anyone), what is the primary responsible parties (s), is the combination of nutrients as conclusive WHOLE, as each organ in the body have needs INDEPENDENT of protien to function.

I don't think anyone at any point was saying that protein alone determines muscle growth. That's why everything you have posted thus far is irrevelant to the conversation between Strout and Matt.

Okay, I stop now. (Slap my face). I had good intentions, sorry.

Chillen, you are a funny guy too.

If you want to start a thread concerning the various pathways that lead to hypertrophy..... feel free too. Jumping into a thread that deals with protein requirements in isolation, and adding nothing of substance to the topic, spewing basic facts probably isn't the brightest thing.

Again, reading comprehension really seems to be lacking anymore around here. Am I missing something?