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  Trouble getting calories with good foods Post #16 (permalink)  
Old Jan. 08/08, 05:13 PM
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(Note: by "high end" in the previous post, I meant the high end of general recommendations, not the high end of specific recommendations for strength athletes. Obviously, within each category of athletes, there are variations of recommendations.)

Where is this documented? Even t-nation.com and bodybuilding.com, which have the highest protein recommendations that I can find, are not 2g/lb, and amounts significantly greater than 1g/lb are mentioned in the context of special cases or at the elite level. t-nation.com suggests 1g/lb in general for body builders, up to 1.5g/lb for those with fast metabolism. bodybuilding.com suggests "an intake of 1.7g/kg a day rising up to a possible 3.5g/kg during intense microcycles in order to reap maximum gains from resistance training" (these numbers are .8g/lb and 1.6g/lb).

Links to t-nation.com and bodybuilding.com :
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Bodybuilding.com - Glen Danbury - Protein: What Is It And How Much Can You Take?
Now that you've explained it further, I don't think we're really disagreeing here. I just had an issue with the phrasing. I'm not saying that 2 g/lb is something you'd see recommended for anything other than elite power-lifter or body builders, and that far more common is 1.25 to 1.5. The real question is how narrowly you define the category of people who should shoot for these levels, and what that means for people who are training though not with as much intensity.

It's true that 1g/lb is on the higher end of what is recommended for the general population. But that should be taken with a grain of salt around here, because most people are not engaged in strength training at all. Beyond that, the standard 'diets' being tossed around tend to overlook the important role that lean proteins play in fat loss.
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Old Jan. 08/08, 05:37 PM
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Thanks! I am a dietitian who used to work in the hospital setting for many, many years. The actual recommended protein intake for a "general" person is .8 grams per kg of bodyweight. I just needed input as to current recommendations for the fitness crowd.

Thanks again for more of the food recommendations. I thought I was doing great with 1985 calories before dinner. Ends up I somehow copied some foods multiple times falsely elevating my calories eaten. I'm in a world of hurt now. I'm working out soon so I can hopefully work up an appetite before bed.

I'm still not hungry in the evenings. I'm consciously choosing higher fiber foods and feel this may be the reason. My appetite has been fine the last few days until lunch when I have been eating leftover kabobs consisting of onions, bell peppers, mushrooms, sirloin and chicken breast that were all cooked on the grill. I've been eating probably 1 1/2 cups of the vegetables along with 6-8 ounces of the meats for lunch along with a salad. I'll focus more on higher fiber foods that have a higher calorie content.

Fitday has been a blessing and has really taught me where my calories are coming from and how I need to adjust to meet my needs. Thanks again for the input. I'll post again tomorrow night and see how well I progress. Thanks again, Greg
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Old Jan. 08/08, 05:41 PM
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yer a dietician! wow! and you didn't catch the wisdom in the double chocolate expresso brownies?

interesting thread for a dietician to make. Was this a test for our board peeps? How did we do?

I take alot of advice from this place and wonder at times.
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Old Jan. 09/08, 01:06 PM
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Everyone did great! I really was not up to date on the current recommendations for sports nutrition. I was always taught .8 g/kg of bodyweight with adjustments for obesity etc. However, I knew the sports related recommendations had changed which made you all the experts. I would leand towards somewhere around 1 gram per Pound of lean bodyweight.

Kind of a funny thread for a dietician...Yes. I'm really good at looking at ways of cutting calories/eating the right foods. I kind of got stuck when I had to concentrate on adding calories to meet specific goals. I figured I could do actual bookwork or get real world advice from those that live it everyday. When I was in college I simply exercised and ate very low fat with moderate protein and fairly high carbs, never measured anything. Since I was lacking up to date knowledge, I came to you all for help and as always, you helped. Thanks again. Eventually I'll keep this ball rolling and get where I need to be. It's all slowly coming back to me.
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