Creatine = good for abs

theGOOCH · Dec. 18/07, 08:18 AM

I've meant to say it before Chillen... Benching substantially more than double body weight is just sick. Very few people on the planet can do that

Chillen · Dec. 18/07, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by theGOOCH

I've meant to say it before Chillen... Benching substantially more than double body weight is just sick. Very few people on the planet can do that

Yes, but its the truth. I doubt I can do that now, I just got over being sick for three weeks, and ate nearly next to nothing (couldnt hold anything down). But, my last WO on the bench (after spending one week bring my nutrition and calories up), I was at 230 for 12 reps. One could fairly deduce what the 1R max is from that, though I havent physically tried. I am not into knowing what this is actually. However, like most weight trainees, I get the spirit of wanting to know once in a while.

theGOOCH · 08:54 AM

I'm not saying I don't believe you, it was meant as a compliment

I never go for max...Is there some type of calculator that tells you what you can do based on your reps? I can do 12 reps with 205 for my first two sets then 10-11 for my third and 9-10 for my fourth So maybe I could do about 14-15 reps If I went to failure on the first set(damn and I outweigh you by 35 lbs LOL) I don't know if you can tell by my avatar, but I've gotten a lot leaner...I THINK I'm around 11% I just have this little bit in the love handle and very low ab area I want to lose

realworksuks · Dec. 18/07, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmithMachine

When i started using creatine i have been able to do like 2 or 3 times the amount of weight or reps i normally could !!! I am now doing with a 20kg plate on my chest 4 sets of 20-25. I really do think weight with ab workouts is the way to go not the high rep bull ****.

Glad to hear the creatine is working for you. When I started using creatine I gained five pounds of water weight and all of my lifts were all increased a level. It was a great feeling...

Benching 155 felt like 135 before the creatine, rowing 130 felt like 100 before the creatine, etc. It's awesome.

BCAA's are really great too, you said you were taking those too right?

Phate89 · Dec. 18/07, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by theGOOCH

I'm not saying I don't believe you, it was meant as a compliment

I never go for max...Is there some type of calculator that tells you what you can do based on your reps? I can do 12 reps with 205 for my first two sets then 10-11 for my third and 9-10 for my fourth So maybe I could do about 14-15 reps If I went to failure on the first set(damn and I outweigh you by 35 lbs LOL) I don't know if you can tell by my avatar, but I've gotten a lot leaner...I THINK I'm around 11% I just have this little bit in the love handle and very low ab area I want to lose

There are calculators to see what your one rep max is, but they are all bogus and incorrect. If you do happen to calculate your one rep max, try to actually do it and see :P

SmithMachine · Dec. 18/07, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by realworksuks

Glad to hear the creatine is working for you. When I started using creatine I gained five pounds of water weight and all of my lifts were all increased a level. It was a great feeling...

Benching 155 felt like 135 before the creatine, rowing 130 felt like 100 before the creatine, etc. It's awesome.

BCAA's are really great too, you said you were taking those too right?

Hmmm what are Bcaa's ? My creatine isent pure its a mix with dextrose and some other things which is apparently only good after a workout so thats the only time i am using it now. Going to buy some Creatine monohydrate tho soon for off days and before workouts. derwydon is going to help me with my diet tho for free which is pretty cool

realworksuks · Dec. 18/07, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SmithMachine

Hmmm what are Bcaa's ? My creatine isent pure its a mix with dextrose and some other things which is apparently only good after a workout so thats the only time i am using it now. Going to buy some Creatine monohydrate tho soon for off days and before workouts. derwydon is going to help me with my diet tho for free which is pretty cool

BCAA's are branched amino acids, building blocks of protein.

Yeah, I wouldn't use that creatine with dextrose unless it's after workouts too.

Dextrose is just very simple sugar, and the only reason it's ok post workout is because you want a fast acting sugar to deliver the amino acids to your muscles.. you do take a protein drink right? That's where the amino acids would come from unless you get it from something else.

SmithMachine · Dec. 18/07, 06:06 PM

whats protien

.....yeah i take a protien shake lol

SmithMachine · Dec. 18/07, 06:11 PM

At the moment i spend all my money on supps...I have protien powder, naNO vapor, Fish oils, and creatine with the dextrose. Thinking about getting a grinder and some flax seeds since there pretty cheap apparently and really good for you

lifeissoccer · Dec. 18/07, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chillen

I leaned down and got my abs to show, and got to 8% BF "without" any "major" supps. The "only" things I currently take are: Fish oils, Flax Oils, and Whey. Creatine is NOT an absolute necessary supp IMO within the context we are speaking.

In addition, at one point in August IR max 340lbs on the bench (5' 7" 154lbs) without creatine and I was "splitting" my diet deficit/surplus days 4:3. If I would have applied a surplus continued throughout the week, and tweaked my weight training (and contents of diet), I am sure this would have went up (just makes sense).

Im an old man (46), and if anyone has a deficiency or "less than prime" internal chemicals it would be a person at my age. Not to mention possible longer recovery (rest between WO's) possibly.

Good Ole Fashioned hard work (training) and deficit dieting are the miracle workers.

Speaking for myself, I "earned" my low body fat without fat loss pills, (and muscle gains "appropriate" for my goals) without creatine, or any other "pills" other than fat oils and Whey powder. I addition, one "doesnt" need fat loss pills the last few pounds, this is hog wash will not make it come off any faster nor be a small or large miracle worker, lol.

Its just me, but I dont need the stuff to meet my personal goals. If I work hard, and BLAST OFF........I will EARN my goal without a problem. But, like I said, this is just me.

Im more concerned about progression and "response from my body"---rather than "specifically" the weight being used on exercises pertaining to Ab/torso. These exercises while they may have some benefits (of course), it is NOT "the thing" that brings out the abs. Its genetics (body composition--look at people's torso's, they are not made the same), and diet to bring a low body fat percentage.

On a side note. My abs have always been large. I can honestly say that they are the SAME size now as they were when I first started. If they did grow any, it isnt an obvious growth to my naked eye. I have gained more in strength, endurance, and flex/control ability than anything else when we are disussing the ab/torso region.

ROCK ON! Everyone!

Best wishes to all of you!

Chillen

im not saying this is the case here but i know for a fact that alot of times people dont care wether its necessary or not they want to get there hands on anything that can boost performance(athletes) i have many underage friends (15 etc...) on supps like creatine and even use of fat burners.... very sad im0

Krodad · Dec. 18/07, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SmithMachine

At the moment i spend all my money on supps...I have protien powder, naNO vapor, Fish oils, and creatine with the dextrose. Thinking about getting a grinder and some flax seeds since there pretty cheap apparently and really good for you

What form is your fish oil? FWIW I quit doing the fish oil capsules in favor of the liquid. A teaspon (I do tablespoon doses) gives you as much EFA's as multiple pills.

Also, I know most people grind their own flax seeds, but I buy mine already milled. Found a place where I can buy it in 20lb quantities, and it's very finely ground...great to include in whey shakes as well. Also gives a great source of fiber. I keep the bulk in the freezer, and pull out about a pound at a time in the fridge.

realworksuks · Dec. 18/07, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SmithMachine

At the moment i spend all my money on supps...I have protien powder, naNO vapor, Fish oils, and creatine with the dextrose. Thinking about getting a grinder and some flax seeds since there pretty cheap apparently and really good for you

I just buy flax seeds already grounded up, I got 2.5 pounds for ten dollars. I sprinkle them all over my oatmeal/cereal in the morning.

Nano Vapor huh? I just looked into that a bit and it looks really powerful... how is that working for you? Anyone else tried Nano Vapor?

**Hoss** · Dec. 18/07, 06:34 PM

^^^ All teh hype.

realworksuks · Dec. 18/07, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mreik

^^^ All teh hype.

What's a guy like you(a real bodybuilder) do for pre workout nutrition?

**Hoss** · 06:42 PM

lol a real bodybuilder... anyways I just eat a can of tuna (or 2; usually 1.5 and i save the other .5 for the next day) and a box or 2 (serving size) of cheerios, and some caffeine if i'm feeling tired.

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