When i started using creatine i have been able to do like 2 or 3 times the amount of weight or reps i normally could !!! I am now doing with a 20kg plate on my chest 4 sets of 20-25. I really do think weight with ab workouts is the way to go not the high rep bull ****.

Can I ask how much creatine you're taking and when?

Yeah, and why so quick to give the credit to creatine. I'm not saying it doesn't help, but I just think your effort in the gym and effort in eating right is the big issue. I have never taken creatine, and I'm making huge gains.

Well i have been taking it 3 times a day on workout days and once on non workout days before i talked to you and der but since then i have been taking it only after my workouts and before i take a NO supp

I do my abs on my non workout days tho and dont use My No supplement or creatine after it. i do my abs every 2nd or 3rd day.

why not do abs with the rest of the body?

hmmm just dont really like doing abs at the gym. most the time im to stuffed to do abs at the end of my workouts

I leaned down and got my abs to show, and got to 8% BF "without" any "major" supps. The "only" things I currently take are: Fish oils, Flax Oils, and Whey. Creatine is NOT an absolute necessary supp IMO within the context we are speaking. And, definately, not necessary for getting the abs to show, IMO. I think persons in the know, would say this goes without even saying, really.

In addition, at one point in August IR max 340lbs on the bench (5' 7" 154lbs) without creatine and I was "splitting" my diet deficit/surplus days 4:3. If I would have applied a surplus continued throughout the week, and tweaked my weight training (and contents of diet), I am sure this would have went up (just makes sense).

Im an old man (46), and if anyone has a deficiency or "less than prime" internal chemicals it would be a person at my age. Not to mention possible longer recovery (rest between WO's) possibly.


Good Ole Fashioned hard work (training) and deficit dieting are the miracle workers.

Speaking for myself, I "earned" my low body fat without fat loss pills, (and muscle gains "appropriate" for my goals) without creatine, or any other "pills" other than fat oils and Whey powder. I addition, one "doesnt" need fat loss pills the last few pounds, this is hog wash will not make it come off any faster nor be a small or large miracle worker, lol.

Its just me, but I dont need the stuff to meet my personal goals. If I work hard, and BLAST OFF........I will EARN my goal without a problem. But, like I said, this is just me.

Im more concerned about progression and "response from my body"---rather than "specifically" the weight being used on exercises pertaining to Ab/torso. These exercises while they may have some benefits (of course), it is NOT "the thing" that brings out the abs. Its genetics (body composition--look at people's torso's, they are not made the same), and diet to bring a low body fat percentage.

On a side note. My abs have always been large. I can honestly say that they are the SAME size now as they were when I first started. If they did grow any, it isnt an obvious growth to my naked eye. I have gained more in strength, endurance, and flex/control ability than anything else when we are disussing the ab/torso region.

ROCK ON! Everyone!



Best wishes to all of you!



Chillen

creatine is not neseccary, no suppliment really is. But it works!

LOL.....another vintage, Karks......Post. LOL.

huh? what did you mean by that?

I hope I don\'t misunderstand the OP but he does not take creatine just to do ab workouts? This would be like those guys who see a 29.99 abs gizmo and they buy it because you will get great abs according to the ad.

lol no, he's just saying his ab exercises has increased a lot. He made a post before about his other lifts too!

Messen' with ya, my friend.......HEHE

How was your b-day?



Chillen

I can strap....100lbs on my chest, and do reps (decline half-ups) (wow!).....Holy crap ola...I wonder what creatine will do for extra strength and bringing out the abs more....hehehe (sarcasm---messen around, HEHHEE and all that stuff)......but truthfully.....I can strap 100lbs on my chest, and weighing 154lbs...at the time......over half my weight was on my chest.....The body is a wonderful machine......Baby!

my B-day was cool

I just believe youngens out to get the basics of gym training down and hard work and determination, and train for a while (and alot have trouble just doing this), before looking to small "tweaks" over the counter in attempt to enhance performance/results---over the counter and legal (example creatine)


Any hoot....


ROCK ON!



Chillen