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  I heard you don't like aerobics Post #16 (permalink)  
Old Dec. 22/07, 09:44 AM
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A short view on EPOC:

When one actually examines calories burned during the post-exercise period it is relatively small. Some people believe that the EPOC effect is sufficiently small and that it does not have a major role in the control of weight loss by itself. I dont agree when one considers the entire picture.

IF you combine EPOC and the entire exercise session with proper diet--this combination--increases calories burned--and CAN increase weight loss--with proper diet.

There are several things which influence EPOC: (resynthesis of creatine phosphate in muscle, lactate removal, restoration of muscle and blood oxygen stores, elevated body temperature, post exercise elevation of heart rate and breathing, elevated hormones, and so on and so forth, etc).


I pulled this from one of my OneNote sections: (I dont recall the source)


In one study researchers examined the post-exercise oxygen consumption of strength training exercise to increase metabolism. (Lets save the metabolism debate, shall we )

Metabolic rate was measured for nine subjects after 40 minutes of cycling (80percent of maximal heart rate), 40 minutes of circuit training (50% of individuals' 1 RM x 15 repetitions for 4 sets), 40 minutes of heavy resistance lifting (80-90% of 1 RM x 3-8 repetitions x 3 sets), and a control interval.

All forms of exercise increased the metabolic rate immediately after exertion. For circuit training and heavy resistance lifting, the metabolism increase was also significant 30 minutes after exertion. The absolute total increment in caloric use after exertion was comparable among circuit training, heavy lifting, and cycling. However, cycling alone was far less than both forms of weight training.

EDIT: This is a rather short study....so

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Old Dec. 22/07, 09:44 AM
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Dude I think it's Tribal.
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Old Dec. 22/07, 09:47 AM
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Wouldn't suprise me, but until we know, we just have to educate
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Probably one of tribal's "friends" from another forum.
Like karky said, Aerobics is a good exercise, but there are other forms of exercises that can assist in fat loss much more efficiently and also aid with other benefits ( strength, muscle, etc )
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Old Dec. 22/07, 09:54 AM
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I saw the post in the Troll thread, and I saw another post in another thread that was very simular.....and thought I would join in with my friend karky, and have a small "topical" discussion......
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Old Dec. 22/07, 10:00 AM
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Any comment on the EPOC post karky......more info? What are your thoughts, young man?
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Old Dec. 22/07, 10:02 AM
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Probably one of tribal's "friends" from another forum.
Like karky said, Aerobics is a good exercise, but there are other forms of exercises that can assist in fat loss much more efficiently and also aid with other benefits ( strength, muscle, etc )
Totally true. Morning Phate-----how is it hanging this afternoon?

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Old Dec. 22/07, 10:41 AM
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Any comment on the EPOC post karky......more info? What are your thoughts, young man?
Hey, don't you hear too good? What does EPOC have to do with aerobics? What is EPOCS? Can't ya read?
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aerobics don't give as much EPOC as for example HIIT or weight training.
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Hey, don't you hear too good? What does EPOC have to do with aerobics? What is EPOCS? Can't ya read?
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Excess post-exercise oxygen consumption (EPOC) is a measurably increased rate of oxygen intake following strenuous activity. The extra oxygen is used in the processes that restore the body to a resting state and adapt it to the exercise just performed. These include: hormone balancing, replenishment of fuel stores, cellular repair, innervation, and anabolism.
Excess post-exercise oxygen consumption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Studies show that the EPOC effect exists after both anaerobic exercise and aerobic exercise, but all studies comparing the two show that anaerobic exercise increases EPOC more than aerobic exercise does. For exercise regimens of comparable duration and intensity, aerobic exercise burns more calories during the exercise itself [1], but the difference is partly offset by the higher increase in caloric expenditure that occurs during the EPOC phase after anaerobic exercise. Anaerobic exercise in the form of high-intensity interval training was also found in one study to result in greater loss of subcutaneous fat, even though the subjects expended fewer than half as many calories during exercise.[2] Whether this result was caused by the EPOC effect has not been established, and the caloric content of the participants' diet was not controlled during this particular study period.
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dude, atleast cite your source!
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dude, atleast cite your source!
I did :P......
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Old Dec. 22/07, 11:13 AM
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you edited!
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Old Dec. 22/07, 11:18 AM
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LOL!....I was going to mention that to karks......HEHE....


Good post, Phate......Keep on reading, reading, my young friend.....You are one wise young man.....





Good wishes to you my young friend,

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Old Dec. 22/07, 05:17 PM
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Good link.

From your excerpt.....
" Anaerobic exercise in the form of high-intensity interval training was also found in one study to result in greater loss of subcutaneous fat, even though the subjects expended fewer than half as many calories during exercise.[2] Whether this result was caused by the EPOC effect has not been established "

Interesting.

I'd always thought that EPOC WAS the primary reason HIIT was an optimal cardio protocol...but it seems based on the above it " has not been established "

Who knew ?
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