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I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 1 ( permalink)

Dec. 11/08, 09:36 PM
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| | | I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? I'm 5'11 and weigh 210. I'm trying to work down to 175 so I've got 35lbs to go. I've taken up weight training now, I'm working my calories around 2000 a day to stay in deficit but I'm reading I should not be doing cardio since I'm a beginner to weights?
I want to lose weight as quickly as possible and I have all the tools to do it. Heres my workout and my diet. Please make changes to help me melt off fat FAST! Diet
Meal #1: Bowl of Oatmeal, Raisins
Preworkout: 2% Milk (8 ounces) + Whey Powder
Meal #2: Cottage cheese, Canned Peaches
Meal #3: 1 Egg, Onions/Peppers, Shredded Cheese, Tortilla
Meal #4: Healthy Choice Soup, Tuna Wheat sandwich, Slice of cheese
Meal #5: Baked chicken breast, Salad, Fat-free dressing
Beforesleep: 2% Milk (8 ounces) + Whey Powder
*all single servings Workout
Monday: 10min cardio light run, FBW with dumbells
Tuesday: 25mins interval training on the elliptical machine
Wednesday: Same as Monday
Thursday: Same as Tuesday
Friday: Same as Monday
Saturday: Same as Tuesday
Sunday: Same as Tuesday (yes, more cardio) FBW
Super Set #1: DB Squats, DB Shoulder Press
Super Set #2: DB Rows, DB Bench Press
Super Set #3: DB Dead Lift, DB Bicep Curl
Reps: 8-12 (if I can do 13 on my 3rd set I up the weight next time)
Rest: 30sec between sets, 2mins between supersets
Is there anything I can do to really explode my metabolism and get rid of the fat? I don't want to hurt my muscle gain ( I've heard I can gain 10lb of muscle in 8 weeks? Sounds awesome!) but I want to lose that 35lbs quick!
Last edited by Blackcub; Dec. 11/08 at 09:47 PM.
Reason: Add reps/rests
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I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 2 ( permalink)

Dec. 11/08, 09:48 PM
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| | | Uhhh. You aren't going to be building muscle and losing weight at the same time, it's very difficult to do and takes a very long time. You might make small gains in muscle since you are a beginner, but you cannot do both at once.
If you are looking to drop the weight, do cardio. Once you have lost the amount of fat you wanted to, then you can worry about building the muscle.
Continue with the weights, it's also good for burning fat.
And 10lbs of muscle in 8 weeks is godlike. 4lbs in 8 weeks is a more reasonable goal, and even that might be lofty depending on how genetically predisposed you are to building muscle. |
I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 3 ( permalink)

Dec. 11/08, 09:53 PM
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| | | Let me rephrase then.
Can I gain muscle and lose fat at the same time? If so, is my diet/workout designed properly? Will my cardio hit my muscle gain too much?
I've been told weight training and diet is more important than cardio, ultimately, if I want to melt fat off quick. |
I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 4 ( permalink)

Dec. 12/08, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackcub Let me rephrase then.
Can I gain muscle and lose fat at the same time? If so, is my diet/workout designed properly? Will my cardio hit my muscle gain too much?
I've been told weight training and diet is more important than cardio, ultimately, if I want to melt fat off quick. | Your question was already answered. NO. Its so difficult to lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously, that you're better off doing one, or the other.
Newbies can do both, to a degree, for a few weeks...then the body "Learns" and you must pick one or the other.
Lift weights to burn calories ,and get stronger.
Do cardio to burn calories, and tap into stored fat for energy.
Mostly, pay attention to your diet.
I think you must have read something about 'taking it easy' as a beginner...not doing cardio for the first couple of weeks, so you don't overload your system, or injure yourself. |
I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 5 ( permalink)

Dec. 12/08, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by malkore Your question was already answered. NO. Its so difficult to lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously, that you're better off doing one, or the other.
Newbies can do both, to a degree, for a few weeks...then the body "Learns" and you must pick one or the other.
Lift weights to burn calories ,and get stronger.
Do cardio to burn calories, and tap into stored fat for energy.
Mostly, pay attention to your diet.
I think you must have read something about 'taking it easy' as a beginner...not doing cardio for the first couple of weeks, so you don't overload your system, or injure yourself. |
So you're telling me that the last 2 months at the gym I've been gaining muscle and not losing any fat...guess that explains why my pants no longer fit me...right? cause I haven't lost any fat but have gained muscle...
if you don't believe that i've packed on muscle while losing weight then look at my journal and the pics i've posted.
I thought the preachings on here were to put yourself in a mild caloric deficit (500 cals /day) to lose about 1 lb per week, and to continue to lift to ensure your muscles don't get cannibalized and that lifting was the a #1 choice to assist in weightloss after making the proper dietary changes with cardio being an extra to help caloric deficit.
Where's Chillen...he'll know the answer... |
I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 6 ( permalink)

Dec. 12/08, 08:33 AM
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| | | Maybe you've lost fat and not gained any muscle, ever think of that?
Also, Mreik doesn't say it's impossible, just that it is very difficult.
How do you know that you gained muscle and how do you know that you lost fat? |
I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 7 ( permalink)

Dec. 12/08, 08:40 AM
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| | | how did i increase my bench 40 lbs back to what I was benching in college and how did move from barely being able to do 5 pull-ups to doing 3 sets of 8 and not gain muscle?
I wasn't saying you could gain 10 lbs of muscle and lose 35 lbs of fat in 2 months. I've only lost 10 lbs in 2 months...i certainly haven't lost muscle mass though.
How do I know I've lost fat? My pants have about 3 inches of room in them now at the waist, my belt has moved from the 2nd notch to the 4th notch, my face is a bit thinner, you are seeing more definition on my muscles, and a few different people have started to comment on how much skinnier I look.
Last edited by firefreak; Dec. 12/08 at 08:42 AM.
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I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 8 ( permalink)

Dec. 12/08, 08:42 AM
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| | | You don't need to increase your muscle mass in order to get stronger. If you ask me, you have probably lost a lot of fat, slightly lost, maintained or slightly improved muscle mass. Though if you improved it, it would probably be very little. But since you're losing that much weight, your probably focusing on losing fat anyways, right? |
I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 9 ( permalink)

Dec. 12/08, 08:44 AM
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| | | I am focusing on losing fat. I still maintain that I've increased size in my back and chest though. |
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Dec. 12/08, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by firefreak I am focusing on losing fat. I still maintain that I've increased size in my back and chest though. | Leaning out definitely makes you appear larger, especially when the cuts get deeper. And like Karks said, you don't have to get bigger to get stronger. Your CNS gets better recruitment patters, lifts become more efficient, and you learn the best way to get from A to B. |
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Dec. 12/08, 02:18 PM
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I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 12 ( permalink)

Dec. 12/08, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by firefreak So you're telling me that the last 2 months at the gym I've been gaining muscle and not losing any fat...guess that explains why my pants no longer fit me...right? cause I haven't lost any fat but have gained muscle...
if you don't believe that i've packed on muscle while losing weight then look at my journal and the pics i've posted.
I thought the preachings on here were to put yourself in a mild caloric deficit (500 cals /day) to lose about 1 lb per week, and to continue to lift to ensure your muscles don't get cannibalized and that lifting was the a #1 choice to assist in weightloss after making the proper dietary changes with cardio being an extra to help caloric deficit.
Where's Chillen...he'll know the answer... | Simply put, I believe you.
I have learned many things in life, and I continue to learn many things to this date, and one of the things I have learned is when you think you have seen everything, you simply haven't.
To blanket phrases such as: "No you cannot build muscle and lose fat at the same time" is both true and false; "to say you cannot gain muscle tissue when gaining strength, is both true and false"; because of the varying degrees within our biological differences we all share in common, and what one is "actually" doing in diet and their training.
I have been training a relatively short period, some in the fitness community would opinion (3 years); however, let me share something with you.
When I first started, I wanted to lose weight and simply wanted abs (uh, yes, like so many-->  , and was 190ish pounds, and dropped to 152/154 pounds. This is nearly 40 pounds of tissue loss (not counting the muscle growth offset). No, I wasn't a rippling set of muscle mass, nor was I skinny (in the healthy sense). However, I was 4 to 5 times stronger than started (at the time), and carried calorie deficits (the vast majority of the time--only with occasional surpluses-to put this in simplistic terms).
I in fact, built muscle and lost fat tissue for more than a year, though I would term it suboptimal (in the muscle growth and strength gain sense), and this was mainly due to my personal goal wants at the time.
My point is that though it may be suboptimal (for some), it is in fact possible to gain fat and lose fat tissue at the same time---for longer than people generally believe--for some; especially when first starting, and dependent on their status (physically, biologically) when first starting, and the nature and aggressiveness of training/diet.
One thing I know for absolute certainty. If I had not weight trained, and kept the diet the same (keeping things equal), the quality and type of the tissue loss/muscle built, would have resulted in a vastly "different" physique in June 2007, than the one I ended up with in June 2007, while aggressively weight training. It quite simply impacted and shaped and developed things along the way.
I believe there is truth in stating that while training in a calorie deficit that muscle growth and strength can be compromised (and subsequently) cause progression problems in one's program at some point--especially with a person that has been training for a while, and I think its safe to say you will experience this, if you maintain strict calorie deficit (without manipulations) at a certain point in time. When.....this is up to the variances of your training, diet, and other factors.
However, simply put: I believe you when you say you are gaining strength, losing fat tissue, and potentially gaining muscle at the same time.
It is possible.
Best wishes,
Chillen |
I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 13 ( permalink)

Dec. 13/08, 03:05 AM
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| | | Thank you all for the knowledge. |
I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 14 ( permalink)

Dec. 15/08, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by firefreak I am focusing on losing fat. I still maintain that I've increased size in my back and chest though. | Congratulations! You're a genetic freak.
Listen, everyone is unique. We can't give 'precision' information to the general population.
The standard is this: you can indeed do body recomposition training/dieting...trading fat in for muscle at a fairly slow pace.
For most people, the pace is too slow, they get frustrated, and quit before they can see results.
This is why its easier for MOST people to lean out and put on mass in separate training cycles. They see the results more quickly and that excites them to stay on task.
As for 'I lost 10 lbs in 2 months while getting a bigger chest'...that's awesome...but are you really tracking the right metrics? Did you have someone experienced in body fat testing test you? Did you use a tape measure to measure your arms, chest, etc?
if you are going by the scale/weight alone...I still say "congratulations on your success, and KEEP AT IT"...but in all honestly, I can lose 2lbs in 20 minutes just taking a massive dump...so 10lbs in 2 months could be skewed the same way...water retention, bowel retention, a full stomach, etc.
Plus, 2 months of training is barely getting past the 'beginner phase'...which as I already mentioned is one time frame when you CAN lose fat AND gain muscle at a reasonable rate. Its such a shock to the system to suddenly need to burn calories for fuel while also repairing muscle and making it stronger.
Some people adapt quickly...some take longer than 'usual'. Again, because we are all unique. |
I'm reading I should *not* be doing cardio? Post # 15 ( permalink)

Dec. 15/08, 01:42 PM
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| | | i was just using it as an example, and its a fairly consistent weight over several days on the scale at the same time of day...not like i jumped on the scale 2 months ago to weigh myself and just jumped back on again after 2 months to see a 10 lb loss. the first month i actually gained weight. I am more than aware about hydration levels and your weight as it corresponds to them. both weights were in the AM, just after taking my morning piss and in actuality i ate a buttload more the night previous to the morning where the scale said i was 10 lbs lighter. everything was also on the same scale.
but thanks for trying to minimize my efforts and my excitement for having lost the weight I have so far while getting stronger...appreciate it. |  | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | | Display Modes | Rate This Thread | Linear Mode | |
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