Have I got this straight ?

You make an inappropriate comment like .......

" Soccer (a scrotum-sucking rectal wart ) "

...and then you turn right around and refer to some other members on this forum as a " bunch of losers " ?

Oh, and you may want to take another course in logic because making a lot of money and paying a lot of taxes isn't isn't a mutually exclusive condition to being a " loser ".

Someone can actually make a lot of money and pay a lot of tax and still be a world class " loser " - all at the same time.

Yeah...I did. He annoyed me and the thread originator...that's a turd in my book.

Wrangell...you know a lot and you try to help, but as a few members of this board have told me, you come off as a know it all and above us all. Dial in some human factor and work on your smile muscles: cold, distant and surly is no way to go through life.

I'm NOT calling everyone losers, just those who flame, humiliate and mock others for expressing an opinion other then what they believe. It's not right to make others feel like an idiot or fool just because they say something that you don't agree with. That's what happened here and you can rationalize it any way you want. Being right about something doesn't give anyone the right to slam it over someone else's head. Righteousness doesn't give rights to being abusive.

People should post in the same manner as they would talk to someone in person, e-attitudes are wrong. I was really looking forward to enjoying this forum but that sense of fun & learning was crushed by ego's, arrogance and a seemingly silent game of who knows more & better.

Phate, FF and many others have been great....you guys couldn't be uncool if you tried. Sorry if I shot-gunned and hit some collateral damage.

If I ask questions I'm ridiculed or interogated like I'm ignorant. If I try to answer questions there's a panel of experts looking to shoot me down. Where's the fun? Not here.

Srleahe,

First, I am not a trainer. I am a scientist who happens to enjoy fitness as therapy and to lose weight, got hooked and now is preparing for some triathlons in '08. That said, take what I say with a grain of salt; it is based only on my observations.

Unfortunately, you touched a raw nerve here that was exacerbated by others. There are many types of persons on this forum and they tend to fall into three categories; those who wanna be strong, those who wanna be chiseled, and those who wanna compete in athletic events. I fall into the last category.

Personally, I don't use weights or machines much except to work on my pecs, biceps, and triceps and those are mainly for vanity. For workouts, I cycle (50 - 150 miles / week), run (up to 15 miles / week) and have started swimming (up to 5000 m / week).

If you go to any cycling forum you would be thoroughly bitch-slapped for suggesting any more than a modest use of weights. "Time spent in a gym is wasted time that wasn't spent on a bike" is the mantra of cycling coaches. Personally, I don't want to have arms that can clean out a Hoover vacuum cleaner hose, but that is my preference. On the other hand, my resting heart rate of 54 which is fantastic for a 48yo man like me pales in comparison to the 44 heart rates of comparable cyclists.

So, there are different definitions of "fit" in my opinion and different ways to effect it.

Now, back to your case.

How long have you been on your yoga / pilates / program? Have you given it enough time to lose weight? If so, you might want to stay the course. If not, a balance of weights / cardio worked well for my wife (35 pounds in 1 year) and the other clients of the personal trainer my wife uses.

Or, start preparing for a triathlon. There is no way you can train 1 - 2 hours / day without losing weight, gaining strength and great endurance.

People didn't belittle her interest and efforts. They belittled her bad attidude and refusal to accept any or be grateful for any advice. She came on here for one reason; to be told what she already thought to be true.

I see....

Hmmm, that's nice, you kind of lost any moral highground there. The comment about your earnings was real class too

I don't happen to think I do.....but thanks anyway.

I try - as do many others.

Actually, they're mistaken..... I don't know nearly half as much as I think I do...and compared to many others on this forum...I actually know very very little.

And, I'm not ' above ' anyone ...in fact, the majority of members on this forum are - if anything - are way way above me !

How I, you - or anyone on this forum " goes through life " - is irrelevant.

That said, I'm no more or less " cold, distant and surly " than you are.

First of all, I never said you called ' everyone ' losers - I simply referred to " some other members "

Secondly, I simply don't think there is any place in this forum for ' name-calling '.......such as " losers ", " scrotum-sucking rectal wart " , " a turd ".......but that's just me.

However, if you want to ' attack ' something...then attack the arguments, logic, facts of the text in a post.

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I agree.

Then why do you say things in such a manner of language that it might " make others feel like an idiot or fool just because they say something that you don't agree with " ?


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I never said your posts were " abusive " ...I simply found your harsh language / ' name-calling ' - i.e " scrotum-sucking rectal wart " - gratuitous in nature and unwarranted.

I agree. And in all my years in business, I never referred to people as ...

" loser ",
" scrotum-sucking rectal wart "
" a turd "
" goobers "

Funny....I find this to be one of the few forums that isn't plagued by " ego's, arrogance and a seemingly silent game of who knows more & better "

Others might.

But I would disagree - I've found the vast majority of your questions and input in this forum to be excellent and relevant.

the machines can be adjusted, but you can't adjust it so you get your exact natrual rom. you can only adjust it so for example the bench bar is at the "right" place on your upper abs when you press, but the machine still controls what line the movement goes. Also, most people won't be able to adjust it to where it should be for them. And movements don't always go straight up and straight down, like people think they do. But machines usually only go straight up and stranght down..

Good point.

I agree - the unique of ' plane of motion ' you see on a given machine may not be the same as the ' plane of motion ' the person using it would ' optimally ' use.

In most cases a person's body will alter a ' plane of motion ' in a free weight exercise to allow for the most efficient movement of a joint or muscle ( i.e do what feels most comfortable ).

If it can't do that because a plane of motion on a machine is fixed, you increase the risk of injury IMO.

In my view, machines may be good for people recovering from injuries who still want to keep a routine going.

But for most, they use machines because they are afraid to pick up the weights and learn the exercises. I was one of those people for a few years...

Hmmm, where to begin.

Addressing what others see as my inability to accept help from others and giving appreciation to those that have offered advice...
I have tried to thank everyone here for their advice but when they give advice on something that I believe they do not understand and be an ass about it, I will try to set it straight with my opinion that they are ill-informed. I hardly consider myself to be rude especially compared to how all of you bitch at and about each other.

I understand that there were many answers to my question but since I posted that I had implemented that advice and was grateful for it I hardly thought there would continue to be a mudslide of criticism by everyone to one another.


I am not 'hoighty toighty' and I take offense to that since I am just trying to defend my opinions about what has worked for me in the past but I don't have the financial means to continue with. I have lost weight and gained a great deal of flexibility and muscular strength with the advanced classes of pilates and yoga.
Also, why would I pay for something when all I have to do is a little research and find some people who know? If I paid for it and then found this site how dumb would that be.

The only direct quote I would like to address because it sums up my opinion of this forum;
"Funny....I find this to be one of the few forums that isn't plagued by " ego's, arrogance and a seemingly silent game of who knows more & better "" - Wrangell

If this isn't a forum of egoism and arrogance I would hate to read any other threads.

I thought I could come here and gain knowledge understanding and possibly even some support from this community. I was very wrong to expect people to be different here. Some of you have helped me a lot and I appreciate it. Even those that have turned on me based on me defending myself. I will no longer be checking this forum because I do not feel the need to defend myself amongst people I have never met and probably will never meet in my entire life. Best of luck in all of your endeavors and in your fitness.

Peace out.

Yeah, no kidding. I'm sure bad forums exist but I'm a member of a few and have never had any problems.

Some of you are just too aggressive, and because of you members are being turned off from the forum and leaving because the drama you are creating. You know who you are.

Don't think so.

It happens. When people try to belittle me I sometimes retort by leveraging my success/wealth against their accuasation that I'm a loser. It always feels icky afterwards...must learn to control it!

You are, by my observation, one of the most knowledgible & insightful people on this forum...there's no denynig it. But honestly, the means in which you dispatch your advice feels (to me) extremely cold, distant and a bit arrogant (by virtue of the way you respond/quesiton people). Perhaps it's the way I'm reading into it, but there seems to be a consensus. Someone asks a question and they get a slap in the face with their answer. Pretty much the reason I stopped asking questions here....

That's almost more shocking to hear then it is flattering....I never would imagine you having that impression. Pretty much leaves me wondering why others are highlighting my entire paragraph and openly condemning it as ridiculous and something to be ignored....which pretty much spawned my rampage/response.

At the same time, most beginners are prone to having poor or wrong form....at least the machine can ensure, to some degree, proper path/motion. And yes, the body might have a different motion...but it could be the motion that takes focus away from the muscle you intend to work. Look how often people lift wrong, and that's their natural movement...doesn't make it right.

I'm still an advocate of free-weights over machines, but I can't help but sense an unbiased disregard for machines value. What they lack in some areas, they make up for in others. They're not the best, but they are far from the evil purported here.


Bingo

Think so


I'm sorry if I got upset...but this isn't the first time I've spent the time to try to help someone only to find some smug insensitive person to openly humilliate me by highlighting my entire paragraph and striking it down. It's one thing to offer an explanation, disagree or question...but to just suggest the whole thing be ignored is just rude & wrong. As for my retort, much of it is laced with humor...come on, scrotum-sucking rectal wart is pretty whacked a term...lifted it from South Park.

I came here to learn, laugh, discuss and share...to find inspiration and give inspiration. Phate is right, and it's not just with me. I've seen other newbies accosted under the guise of good intentions. People looking for help are more vulnerable to criticism. I know what I see, read & feel...I don't have to prove it for it to be real. I came here with a lot of enthusiasm & interest, at this point I hardly post and only occassionally drop in...and that's fine...in some manner it inspires me to CONTINUE my progress in the face of evidently knowing nothing and having it all wrong.