Slang? I am pretty sure if you go ask any top trainer in the industry what a Push/Pull routine consists of, he will not bring up anything about how there is no such thing as pushing.

Just wondering, where did you get your information from? I can tell you that this is a very poorly designed routine.

The reason that I bolded your quote is because you strongly contradict yourself in a very important aspect of weight training. You should be doing compound exercises, whereas in your second and third days, it is all isolation. A much better routine would be something like:

Day 1:
*Squats
*Deadlifts
*Lat Pulldowns
*Bench Press
*Shoulder Press
*Dumbell Curls

Day 2:
*Straight-Leg Deadlifts
*Weighted Pull-Ups
*Decline Bench Press
*Lunges
*Weighted Dips
*Shrugs or Shoulder Press

Day 3:
*Front Squats
*Romanian Deadlifts
*Incline Bench Press
*Various Rows
*Military Press
*Skullcrushers

which is a 3-day full-body routine, or another great choice would be a push/pull routine that stroutman and Tony speak of, have a look around the forums for a bit more information on it.

i agree shaftedtwice that would be an awsome regime for someone who is very experienced in bodybuilding. Someone who has trained for 2 years or more as a bodybuilder. for an ititial regimen i don't think that many coaches or PT's would your back you up there pal. it takes a long time to develop tendon and ligament stregth - much longer than the rate of hypertrophy.

and correct i did contradict myself but i'm pretty certain that section slipped in unknowingly as i was trying to agree with your comments of working muscles many times.

anyway, i promise this is my last word and i expect you'll have your last words and then your mates will want there last words and then we'll go round in a nice little circle all over again unless i stop.

the main topic of this thread is for prorican to have his program critiqued which i think has been achieved even if other agendas have gotten in the way.

good luck prorican

Muscle growth will outpace tendon and ligament growth? Please explain. And don't hide from debate. Healthy debate is great when uncovering the truth.

Tendons and ligaments are less vascular and recieve nutrients indirectly. They are slower at healing when injured, unlike muscle or bone.

Still, I don't know why DBF would mention them all like they are in the same ballpark. They aren't. You don't gain in tendon strength the same way you gain in muscular strength-- by tearing it apart and letting it grow back.

Ligaments are a whole nother story, as well. They connect bone.

I agree completely. My reason for asking is this: I highly doubt you are going to experience a pace of hypertrophy that is dangerous for your connective tissues, using natural means.

ok. ever heard of "too fast, too soon" syndrome? this basically means that you bite off more than you can chew in terms of exericse. if the author of this thread attempted to follow the program offered by shafted twice he would be exerting too much stress upon his tendon and ligament tissue as compared to musclular tissue that heals more rapidly due to the greater vascular content.

typically a newbie to weight training should rest up for 72 hours between splits. in essence exercising each muscle group once per week.

there was a wise old German anatomist named Julius Wolff whom is highly regarded as a the founder of the tissue response to stress theory i suggest you forget searching around the forum as people keep advising me and check out some real scientific data rather then 3rd had bull that is generated from chinese whispers.

Ligament damage is usually caused by improper form.

Tendons are the same way. It also takes tons of stress, more stress than people can voluntarily generate to separate it from the bone.

And in the end, if your form is right, no matter how high the volume, your muscles will fail first.

In theory this may seem true. However, I have yet to see a beginner injure their connective tissue while following a resistance training routine with proper guidance that consists of training certain body parts multiple times per week. I think you would have trouble making buy into the concept, no matter what names you throw around.

That said, I would also love to hear more debate for your side of the story from you, or anyone else. I think this is a very interesting topic we have going here.

I would gladly recommend a full-body routine to a newbie rather than just isolation workouts, which is where a lot of professional bodybuilders go after training for many years. The routine that I had up had numerous compound exercises, which is very important to a beginner, rather than working each little muscle to their maximum once a week, they won't get anywhere. I agree on that at the beginning, they should take it slow, but a 3-day split of isolation workouts resting 72 hours between each workout will do nothing for them.

Your form and volume must be really screwed up before tearing any connective tissue, just do the exercises with the right form and boost the weights slowly. It seems that you might be misunderstanding me - If a beginner tried to max out or do sets of 3 reps on each set, for every exercise, it would be a different story, as long as he/she takes it slowly and carefully until they get it down, they will be fine.

sooo i do day one on monday, day 2 on tuesday and day 3 on wednesday then day one again on thrusday when do i rest? is this the best for me? i have been lifting for a year and my diet is very good, i need a new routein im bulkin up again. i need the best for bulking up big

Yeah, I'd recommend it to you as well. But the best way would be something like

Monday - Day 1
Tuesday - Rest
Wednesday - Day 2
Thursday - Rest
Friday - Day 3
Saturday - Rest
Sunday - Rest

Or something to that effect.

Looks like the topic got discussed to death. Agreed that debate is good and uni dimensional thinking doesn't really pay off. Looking forward to the next discussion to sink my teeth into.