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Jan. 18/06, 08:39 AM
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| | | Periodization I don't know if anyone here read the interview with Dave Tate, on T Nation.. I'll post a section I thought was really interesting, and perhaps debatable.. Quote:
T-Nation: Okay, so why squat in cycles?
Tate: One reason is because although the squat is one of the best exercises for mass, it's also one of the main exercises that people stick to way too long.
Let's say you hit an overtraining state. Diagnose that however you want: lack of progress, morning pulse rate, feeling like ****, whatever. If you're in that state and you're continuously putting a bar on your back, which is a load on your spine (and your spine is your central nervous system), then you're inhibiting your ability to recover from other training.
T-Nation: You know, a lot of hardcore people wouldn't think of not squatting for a period of weeks!
Tate: I think it's important. It's very apparent that there are times when you need to get the bar off your back. Every time I went through a phase where I took the bar off my back, my muscle hypertrophy increased significantly. Now, keep in mind the overtraining state was in effect, there were injuries in effect, and there was probably a year when I didn't have a bar off my back.
But I think that for every 12 to 16 weeks of squatting, you should go through a three week phase where you take the bar off your back. Now, with that three week break, I'm not saying you don't squat; maybe you use the belt squat, which we use a lot of. It's a belt squat machine that allows you to squat but there's no loading on your spine.
Also, when you're going through that phase, there are no good mornings or safety squat bar lifts either – no bar on your back whatsoever! What you're reduced to is a lot of glute-ham raises, a lot of hamstring and quad work, step-ups, lunges, and belt squats.
What you find is that your leg mass increases for two reasons. First, your body is able to begin recovery like it normally should. And second, you're using exercises that you probably haven't been using for the last 12 to 16 weeks.
| I personally am dedicated to squats, but mostly because I was told to be. Now hearing someone go against that is making me second guess. Would time off of squats actually be beneficial? After all the information I got about the GTO I look foward to this topic. Any input would be great.. | 
Jan. 18/06, 08:47 AM
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| | mreik, i posted the exact quote on another forum last week, i think  , i plan on giving the book squat or powerlift squat a go in the next few months just to test Tate's idea, frankly it makes sense to me.
I also will be taking the bar off my back every 3 or 4 months like he suggests and probably do some stepups, lunges, hack squats etc for a few weeks.
Still groggy dude whats GTO? | 
Jan. 18/06, 09:04 AM
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| | | Thats interesting.
Not that I squat heavy anyway.
Thats going right in my book | 
Jan. 18/06, 09:20 AM
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| | | Common Periodization usually is just changing sets and reps, BUT if you change the exercise, it's a whole other stress... That's where I never have my clients do the same exercises more than 4 weeks out... | 
Jan. 18/06, 09:25 AM
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| | | Yeah I usually change exersises every 6 weeks anyway, but I didnt think about taking the weight off you back for a while and the reasons why. | 
Jan. 18/06, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DeX Common Periodization usually is just changing sets and reps, BUT if you change the exercise, it's a whole other stress... That's where I never have my clients do the same exercises more than 4 weeks out... | Even such a power exercise like squats? I perform a push/pull/legs split, most of the time I have one or two main exercises for each lift, and then just supplement as desired at the time. On my leg day, my main lift is squats, and I'm not exactly sure what I could replace that with.
EDIT** Oh and newf, GTO - Golgi Tendon Organ, it's very interesting.. I'll see if I can dig up the thread..
EDIT2**Here's the link GTO
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Jan. 18/06, 10:44 AM
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| | | Yup, even power lifts I'll have my clients take a break from, it keeps things interesting for them, then the new exercises are a new stress to the body, so then when I have them do that for awhile, and then go back to the squats, deadlifts, etc... the body 'remembers' a little bit on it, but it's a new stress compared to before, so then once again, it has to adapt, even though it's done it before... | 
Jan. 18/06, 11:08 AM
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| | | I hadn't seen this article yet but interestingly the typical Westside set up is
3 weeks back squat
3 weeks good mornings
3 weeks deadlift (generally speaking)
Mreik, you can do as Tate suggested and do GHRs, RDLs, and bb step ups. If you ever get a chance to see Tate and Wendler at a seminar, it's def worth the trip. | 
Jan. 18/06, 10:53 PM
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| | | wouldnt lunges still be a bar on the back? and what exactly is a belt squat?:S | 
Jan. 18/06, 10:58 PM
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It's a belt squat machine that allows you to squat but there's no loading on your spine.
| Sounds like you just strap a belt on and there is weight or resistance attached or connected to it. | 
Jan. 19/06, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by LeiYunFat Sounds like you just strap a belt on and there is weight or resistance attached or connected to it. | Yeah but I don't have one of these..
I think I'm overtraining my lower back as it is, so I need to drop squats or deads.. I think I'm gonna drop squats and probably replace them with bb step ups, and perhaps pistols.. |  | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | | Display Modes | Rate This Thread | Linear Mode | |
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