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  What size weights are you using. Post #31 (permalink)  
Old Jul. 10/06, 09:52 AM
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Proteinboy, read this article, it may change your mind on your routines. It did mine. - Inside the Muscle Laboratories

That is such a great article and Adam and Alwyn big shooters!
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Old Jul. 10/06, 01:38 PM
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HIT is generally suited for beginners, in the fact that anything done will be an increase of stress over what was done before. For anyone else, HIT has been shown repeatedly in the literature (i.e. scientific studies) that it produces poorer results than do workouts with greater frequency.

Everything will work for a short time, at least: the question becomes could you have done something else in the same time to get better results?

PB, I think that you're starting to see that working out and designing a program is far more complicated than just lifting a weight a couple of times and going home: People earn their doctoral degrees (including me!) in this stuff! I think that you would really benefit from taking a look at a pre-made routine written by an expert, rather than trying to do it all yourself. You will be safer, get a lot stronger, and see MUCH better results that way. Like I mentioned, you can look at my article, or you can choose from literally hundreds on the internet...take a look here for TONS of information, articles, and workout programs (such as HGM) that should help you on your way:

http://forums.menshealth.com/eve/for...21/m/156108723
first off; im really gratefull for all the stuff you'r helping me with. usually guys just slam me and tell me i dont know wut im doing .

i have one question: in the workout routine link you gave me, is the workout structured to produce results by muscle building LAWS or is it just something like "it should work"???

thanks a lot
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Old Jul. 10/06, 01:55 PM
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wow i just read part one of that link and im already starting to change my mind about HIT. bipennate, do you agree with the workout routine of 5 times a week doing 2 exercises with 5 sets each exersice with 5 reps each set???Is Joel Marion a trustable person to take advice from?
is Sean Nalewanyj?
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Old Jul. 10/06, 02:43 PM
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im also kind of confused about which workout program you were trying to get for me... if i may ask, could you please just post one here so i can see it plz???

i am also getting confused again b/c in the link you gave me, i found a place where it says that low rep intensit training is NOT overly straining to the CNS but when i went to another link inside the link you gave me, they are saying that it IS! i just dont know which way to go now...

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Old Jul. 10/06, 02:51 PM
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protienboy... If your not sure what type of program you want to start with then why dont you just experiment. Keep trying different types of workouts untill you find the one you like.
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Old Jul. 10/06, 02:53 PM
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thats a good idea. right now im on my second week of HIT and i think i see some results: i am getting stronger. i want to follow up on this but when people are telling me that it will only waste my time; i dont know what to do.
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Do whatever works for you. If your getting results doing what you are doing then keep doing it. If you like it then do it. You dont have to listen to people if you dont agree with them. Just train hard and you will see results.
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Old Jul. 10/06, 03:06 PM
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Do whatever works for you. If your getting results doing what you are doing then keep doing it. If you like it then do it. You dont have to listen to people if you dont agree with them. Just train hard and you will see results.
that really encourages me, man. thanks for the support; i will look for an alternate routine if i stop seeing results from this : )
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Old Jul. 10/06, 03:09 PM
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No problem. Keep up the work.
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Old Jul. 10/06, 05:32 PM
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first off; im really gratefull for all the stuff you'r helping me with. usually guys just slam me and tell me i dont know wut im doing .
My pleasure, PB...we all start somewhere! It's all about asking questions, listening to the answers, and deciding for yourself the worth of those responses.

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i have one question: in the workout routine link you gave me, is the workout structured to produce results by muscle building LAWS or is it just something like "it should work"???

thanks a lot
I'm not quite sure that I understand what you mean...the workout in that article is written by a professional, based on science AND observation...so if that's what you mean, then yes: it's based on (scientific) theory (there are no "laws" in physiology, specifically) that will work for the advanced trainee. I don't believe, however, that you need a routine of that level just yet...

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wow i just read part one of that link and im already starting to change my mind about HIT. bipennate, do you agree with the workout routine of 5 times a week doing 2 exercises with 5 sets each exersice with 5 reps each set???Is Joel Marion a trustable person to take advice from?
is Sean Nalewanyj?
Again, I'm not sure what you're asking: if you are asking whether i think the "classic" Bill Starr 5x5 routine is effective, then yes it is. Joel Marion can be trusted, although personally I don't always agree with his methods, which is fine: that's what this industry is about-different methods by different professionals. I've never heard of Sean Naleanyj...I did a quick Google search, and if this is who you're referencing, then he doesn't know what he's talking about. http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/nalew.htm
I would probably stay away from [I]anyone[/I that writes for the "teenage" section.

Remember, just because a guy looks like he's big and strong doesn't mean that he actually has a clue about what he's talking about

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im also kind of confused about which workout program you were trying to get for me... if i may ask, could you please just post one here so i can see it plz???

i am also getting confused again b/c in the link you gave me, i found a place where it says that low rep intensit training is NOT overly straining to the CNS but when i went to another link inside the link you gave me, they are saying that it IS! i just dont know which way to go now...
I'm not sure what you're talking about: post the links to the articles, please.
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Old Jul. 10/06, 07:02 PM
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Bench: 10 reps @ 190, 8 reps @ 210, 6 reps @ 225
Squat: 10 reps @ 235, 8 reps @ 255, 6 reps @ 280
Deadlift: 5x5 @ 280
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Old Jul. 11/06, 08:36 AM
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Do whatever works for you. If your getting results doing what you are doing then keep doing it. If you like it then do it. You dont have to listen to people if you dont agree with them. Just train hard and you will see results.

I don't recommend it because you can get results from a bad routine, until it's too late and you've over developed the pecs and have a cromagnon look or overdeveloped the quads and have hamstrings too tight to bend over.

Check out the arm position on this guy:


I'll always recommend someone new do a pre-made. Most people don't know what they are doing so they shouldn't make their own until they learn how to balance.

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Old Jul. 11/06, 08:46 AM
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im also kind of confused about which workout program you were trying to get for me... if i may ask, could you please just post one here so i can see it plz???
What are you goals?

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i am also getting confused again b/c in the link you gave me, i found a place where it says that low rep intensit training is NOT overly straining to the CNS but when i went to another link inside the link you gave me, they are saying that it IS! i just dont know which way to go now...
I'll echo Bip's response and ask you to cite.

But in a nutshell, intense training creates stress, on the physiology and the CNS, but so does a new house purchase or losing a job. Stress is stress and requires rest to recoup.

When I went into the army in 1984, a drill from another platoon suffered hysterical paralysis from the stress and was out for a month and all he did was chase privates all day and try to stay on schedule.

The stress from continuous overtraining can lead to the same effect.
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Old Jul. 11/06, 08:56 AM
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Numero Tres: Low rep strength training is not overly exhausting and taxing to the CNS!

there it says its not taxing to the cns

Training to failure can also have a negative impact on a number of other major bodily systems. It swings your hormonal balance towards catabolism, depresses immune function by inhibiting the release of glutamine into your bloodstream (4), and can even suppress your ability to recruit high threshold motor units for prolonged periods of time (6). Last but not least, it's also worth mentioning that pushing to such extremes can drastically increase your chances of getting injured. Yep, sounds like a winning program to me all right.

and here it sounds like they are saying that it is...

anyway; my workout program now is based on what i have learned from Sean Nalewanyj; i have been on it for just 2 weeks now; do you recommend i change to the 5 day program described by Joel Marion because i AM willing to change now but i dont know if it is smart to just change routines all of a sudden.

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Old Jul. 11/06, 08:59 AM
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Numero Tres: Low rep strength training is not overly exhausting and taxing to the CNS!

there it says its not taxing to the cns

Training to failure can also have a negative impact on a number of other major bodily systems. It swings your hormonal balance towards catabolism, depresses immune function by inhibiting the release of glutamine into your bloodstream (4), and can even suppress your ability to recruit high threshold motor units for prolonged periods of time (6). Last but not least, it's also worth mentioning that pushing to such extremes can drastically increase your chances of getting injured. Yep, sounds like a winning program to me all right.

and here it sounds like they are saying that it is...
Low rep training (1-5 reps, typically) is NOT THE SAME as failure training. Two completely, unrelated things.

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anyway; my workout program now is based on what i have learned from Sean Nalewanyj; i have been on it for just 2 weeks now; do you recommend i change to the 5 day program described by Joel Marion because i AM willing to change now but i dont know if it is smart to just change routines all of a sudden.
Again, none of us know which Joel Marion routine you're talking about. You need to help us so that we can help you, PB. Please post a link.

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