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  1. #16
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    You would think though if these supplements did work then it would already be a proven fact and all people aiming to lose weight would be using them and you could imagine how much money the companies would make billions and billions.

    Diet and on the other hand are both proven and significant in weight loss. If you cant do these two things then what chance do the supplements have.

    In my opinion anyway id stick with both diet and exercise, the side effects are actually beneficial!

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    Hi Riffyb,

    take a look here:
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    I fully agree but what Im saying is that in some extreme cases (e.g. Bodybuilding) they may have an effect. Anyway I think we all agree that diet and exercise are the way to go.

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    yep and im not going to close the dorr either

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    Whats a dorr I cant close it if I dont know what it is

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    Lipo-6 seems to be effective. Haven't tried it but there are so many people that swear on it.

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    To everyone who says fat burners don't work, google 2,4-dinitrophenol mwahaha..

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    dayummm that shizah cray-zay!

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    They used that stuff to blow up SHiiiit LOL


    Nice post, Mreik......but its not legal is it? I am still reading the article, LOL.

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    'Legal' is such a subjective word..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mreik View Post
    'Legal' is such a subjective word..
    Come on now, boss, I saw your post in the sugar diet thread......and many others, and I know you know your shiiiiiit..........Please give a straight answer, LOL.......

    Put a real common sense definition to the word that is traditionally accepted by the public....no playing on words, come on now, be nice
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    No it's pretty harsh stuff. If someone who didn't know what they were doing took it, they'd prob die (no exageration). The problem is that it takes several days (up to 7) for it to build and for you to feel it, but when it does it feels like a brick house. And I've known people who started upping the dose before they felt it and some went to the hospital, idiots....

    Your body temp is constantly above 100, and you need to monitor is closely to avoid brain damage. Insomnia is also more than common... Again, it's kinda harsh lol

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    Well, considering DNP was used to ingnite TNT......Uh....

    Anyway, Thank you for the post, I did learn something, and it directed to me to other useful information.

    The article I am currently reading that follows Mriek's post: (Im not posting the link, I got it from, because it contains access to purchase steroids)

    by Damian Bachs -- DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol), an industrial chemical with various applications, has gained steady popularity as a fat loss tool. Boasting an astounding 50% increase in metabolic rate, it is able to contribute to reported fat losses of 10-12 pounds in 8 days of use. Classified as an "uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation" medically, it is quite dangerous as there is no negative feedback system that may deal with overdoses. Specifically, there is no upper limit to the increase in body temperature that may be obtained with its use.

    Introduction/History

    Competitive bodybuilders and many others are continually on a quest for leanness. Used by the hardcore since Dan Duchaine's reporting of it a couple years ago, DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol) has managed to steadily gain popularity as a powerful tool for weight loss. Interestingly, DNP was first used to ignite TNT in the early 1900’s. In 1931 a study released by Stanford University declared that DNP was able to cause amazing weight loss; subsequently it found its way into many diet potions and medications; regulation was much less strict during this time than the present, and many of these products were available over the counter. Two years later DNP was banned by the FDA as a dieting agent due to its inclusion in many OTC dietary supplements. The FDA was a new organization at this time and acted in a rather brazen manner, with the absence of any set procedures for taking substances off the market. Granted, there was only a 1% incidence of cataracts over a large population (around 100,000); nonetheless it happened (although interestingly, exclusively women). However, there are now ways to counter this which will be covered thoroughly.

    The comparisons to the current drugs used for dieting are astounding, at least in terms of thermogenesis. While the ECA stack has been shown to provide approximately a 3% increase in metabolic rate, DNP can deliver a relatively controlled 50% elevation in resting metabolic rate. The thermogenic aspect of clenbuterol, while sometimes overestimated due to the high CNS stimulation that yields a "wired" feeling, can vary according to prior exposure to various amphetamine-like compounds and certainly is not much greater than that of ECA. DNP does not have the anorectic effects of ephedrine or other thermogenic agents; rather, it tends to increase hunger, particularly appetite for carbohydrates. This problem is easily solved with appetite suppressants, and one may even use ECA itself for this purpose while on DNP.

    Molecular Basis for Efficacy

    DNP accomplishes the astounding boost in metabolic rate via inhibition of the F0F1 ATP synthase molecule, located in the inner wall of each mitochondrion. While the electron transport chain still functions to pump hydrogen ions into the intermembrane space, the coupling of the proton gradient to ATP production is rendered impossible by DNP. As a result, ATP production is dramatically reduced, and the energy is instead thrown off as heat. This results in an astounding production of heat; when using dinitrophenol, the athlete will radiate so much heat that it is uncomfortable to be within any proximity of them. Luckily, this heat does not fully contribute to body temperature increases, and is instead thrown off from the entire body surface, particularly the head. As a result, adequate doses of DNP will usually only elevate body temperature by about 1-1.5ºC. This is a good thing for your central nervous system and other delicate tissues; if the heat produced by ATP contributed in a more direct matter to body temperature, effective doses for fat loss would cause supraphysiological body temperature increases on a level unwitnessed at this time. Nonetheless, overheating is a very real danger; this and other side effects shall now be addressed.

    Risks/Side Effects

    Hearing all of these wonderful things probably has you wondering what the side effects and risks are. They are quite formidable and contribute to making DNP one of the most intolerable (though effective) drugs used in bodybuilding. Starting with the most significant, and descending in importance, are the following risks and side effects of DNP use.

    Risks:

    Overheating - There is no upper limit to DNP's body temperature increase, meaning that one may literally "cook from the inside" if they take too much. Dosage considerations will be given later, but even an overdose of 4-6 times the recommended dosage may be lethal. Much smaller overdoses may result in damage to the brain and/or other body systems.

    Carcinogenesis - Phenols in general are reputed to be carcinogenic. Although 2,4-dinitrophenol has never been implicated in a cancer diagnosis, some are nonetheless concerned, and understandably so. In addition to the inherent carcinogenic potential caused by its status as a phenol, production of free radicals and the release of various compounds stored in adipose tissue stores during DNP's rapid oxidation of fat may also potentially be harmful.

    Death - This is self-explanatory and has occurred with several bodybuilders who chose to use this compound.

    Side Effects:

    Discomfort and sweating - This is the single most noticeable effect of DNP use, both by the user and those around him/her. Even in the winter, while indoors at ambient temperatures, one may expect his or her shirt to be completely soaked through with sweat. Those with jobs requiring formal or semi-formal apparel are advised to consider other means of fat loss (or a new job, if preferred). Other obvious considerations lie in the areas of social life, personal appearance, etc. and the user must prioritize.

    Insomnia - Second in frequency of reports to sweating and discomfort is insomnia; this may be at least partially attributed to discomfort. Possible means of countering this include such supplements as Valerian root or melatonin. Alternatively, one may deal with this via prescription or OTC sleep medications or GHB-A precursors. However, these may be addictive if used on a regular basis and if their use may be avoided, by all means abstain from using them.

    Yellow bodily fluids - Some don't notice this, but others find that all of their bodily fluids take on a yellowish appearance. Urine is a darker yellow, and even semen and vaginal secretions may be affected. According to current knowledge, this is not known to be harmful in and of itself.

    Muscle Soreness - This is yet another thing that may be minimized via cerebral function. Dan Duchaine has recommended using a weight such as to allow no fewer than 15 reps per set of any weight training workout; judging from anecdotal reports and personal experience, this seems to be good advice. Low levels of ATP are a cause of muscle soreness in and of itself; the additional factor of encumbered recovery mechanisms make extreme soreness (and if not careful, catabolism) quite possible.

    Allergic Reactions – These are highly individualized but may be summarily discussed. Various reactions are common with DNP use, and approximately 10% of users will be extremely allergic to it. Allergic reactions can include hives, blisters, and/or inexplicable rashes. If you suffer any of these side effects, and they are extremely bothersome, it is the recommendation of the author to cease usage immediately. If so desired, another trial may be made at a later date with a lower dosage, but do not attempt to continue the drug cycle at that point.

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    Hope this is okay.....some bad ass shiiit.....LOL


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    It depends on the fat burner.

    All of the truly effective fat burners have been banned in countries that care about consumers because they tend to kill people that abuse them (which tends to be a high percentage of the people that use them in the first place).

    Stimulants like Phenphen, ephedrine, and other amphetamines are very effective at burning fat. They also tend to kill people through heat stroke and cardiac arrest as well as act as strong appetite suppressants keeping you from eating for prolonged periods of time.

    Caffeine is a low grade legal stimulant that has minor appetite suppressant capabilities as well as a slight metabolic boost for a short amount of time (5% for 45 minutes). Your body also grows to tolerate it's effects.

    Hormones can increase fat burning capability, particularly growth hormones and testosterone...steroids, basically.

    Finally, some pesticides have been used to burn fat in the past, DNP in particular. DNP interrupts your body's ability to recycle ATP. The result is you heat up and burn 50% more energy by default. You'll lose weight fast, have 0 energy, feel like you're going to explode. If you take it for more than 8 days, you'll be at high risk of dying.

    The only weight loss pill that's clinically proven and FDA approved is Alli. Alli works by preventing fat absorption in your intestines. The biggest side effect of this is if you have a fatty meal on alli you'll experience some incontinence with loose, greasy stool. I did say it's clinically proven to work...The results are still pretty bleak, participants lost about a pound more than the control group while on a calorie restricted diet and exercise program.

    Another weight loss pill under approval is Leptin supplements. Leptin is a hormone secreted by adipose stores to tell your body that you're food satisfied.

    Long story short, yes, some fat burners are very successful, but at a very high risk of fatality and injury which is why they're banned in most countries.

    The weight-loss pills and fat burners you can look up right here https://mensreviewzone.com/ and choose the best one according to their raiting and reviews. They might motivate you to workout or help you eat less at a single meal, but they won't have much of an effect. At most, they have the same effect as a cup of coffee, which, if home brewed would be much cheaper than the latest fancy legal fake fat burning technology.

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    Fat burners are a fitness supplement designed to increase metabolism, increase energy, and reduce appetite and by doing so increase the number of calories you burn. This over time can translate into weight loss.

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    you are talking about fat burner suppliment so i,m suggest u to not get any supplyment.

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    Hi Riffyb,

    take a look here:
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